Virinchi... A bet not to be missed


Comments by Vishal Ranjan (CEO, KSoft. Head – New Business)

Who is Virinchi?

  • Technology company. Business solutions which are technology backed
  • Growth verticals – Fintech & Healthcare (both powered by IT knowhow)

QFund Product

  • Global leader in software for micro lending industry.
  • Serving 20 of 25 top players in US. Capturing 90% of their IT spend.
  • We work with NBFCs and run the ERP/loan management system beginning to end.
  • Caters to subprime citizens, people who have exhausted all options like credit cards, family & friends etc. These customers have FICO score of 400-500. Conventional banking options not available.
  • We look at the bank accounts, see 12 months of cash flows, look at into his address, check blacklisted zip codes, utility payments, what kind of car he is driving? Checks 30-35 different data sources are integrated – decision is made in real time.
  • Loan decision made in 2-3 minutes.
  • Typical loans - 15-30 days loan. $500-$1000 loan size. 30-35% loan default rates. 300%-350% APR
  • 25 mn citizens have gone through our product. Created huge database of customer data, goes into machine learning tool. Gives us 90% confidence on loan decision. Nobody other than us has this data to serve this segment
  • Industry has a lot of regulatory oversight due to very high APRs. We get a customization income every time there is regulatory change. Each loan has to be reported to 18-20 agencies on daily / monthly basis for which we get another fee.

Customer Stickiness in QFund

  • Huge amount of stickiness to our customers because of our knowledge expertise. We handle the whole journey, integrations. We are the SAP for these customers.
  • Did first contract with Advance America 11 years ago. Not lost any customer in last 5 years
  • Clients have tried to do in house but have not been able to meet challenges of this industries.

Market share & Competition

  • 20-25% of all such subprime loans go through QFUND.
  • Monthly 500,000 loans. Will grow higher with Advance America.
  • Next competition is 40% of our size. Very tough for them to compete on cost with us.
  • Infosys etc. – this is too niche, and domain is too deep to match our service. They can go to a Wells Fargo / BAML and make the entire revenue of QFund through one engagement.
  • Consolidated, cash cow position.
  • Geographical diversification of QFund to other markets – nothing concrete currently

Advance America contract

  • We were negotiating with them for 7-8 months. Got a 5-year contract
  • Revenue from this contract will be 250 cr - 280 cr fixed over 5 years. Lot of it is front loaded at this stage.
  • Virinchi Product revenue segment – FY 2017 – 92 cr. FY 2018, annualized 126 cr.
  • Incremental revenue from this contract for next year FY 2019 will be this year’s run rate (126 cr, minimum) + ~20 cr year. Hugely EBITDA accretive with 75%+ margin. Cost associated with this contract will be only 3-4 cr for initial investment. Should add 13-15 cr ebitda / year for this business (pretax)
  • Additionally, will also earn a significant amount of implementation and service income

Healthcare Business

  • Huge synergy in technology experience. Democratizing technology in other hospitals.
  • At this point see the businesses together. Could demerge in future
  • Overall utilization ~30%
  • First 3 quarters 14-15cr EBITDA. Improving day by day. Cash flows are breakeven here. (8 cr interest + 4 cr principal per year)
  • Apollo’s add capacities. Virinchi wants to touch a billion patients
  • See the best model as Business solutions and not a directory service (e.g. Practo). Feel that healthcare a touch and feel business.
  • Currently touching 6 cr patients in UP.
  • Don’t see IT business subsidizing Healthcare anymore
  • Next 12 months – hospital stand on its feet, paying cash flows. Want to run this business better.
  • Balance 50 beds completed in this quarter. Waiting for occupancy for expansion for next 100 beds.


Overall, he sounded very bullish about the business. My reading of their comments on healthcare vertical is that they are still figuring out the best model for expansion and the growth has been slower than expected. He mentioned more than once that healthcare business has reached breakeven and will not be subsidized by the core business. Many of the callers were focused on the healthcare vertical because it is new and sexy, but my key takeaway was that the core IT business is significantly undervalued at current price.

Based on back of the envelope calculations:
FY 2018 estimated PAT – 30 cr
Earnings growth rate for current business for next 2 years – 15%
FY 2020 estimated PAT for current business - 40 cr
Post tax incremental margin from Advance America contract is ~10 cr per year
FY 2020 estimated PAT – 40 + 10 = 50 cr
FY 2020 PE multiple – 12x
Valuation – 600 crore
Current market cap – 365 cr

Upside not captured –

  1. Higher PE multiple than 12x
  2. Growth of 15% is conservative – last 3 years PAT CAGR is 83% (from lower base)
  3. Better than expected performance of healthcare business
  4. Future demerger of healthcare business

Please let me know if I missed anything.

Discl. Invested, adding to my position.

(naruto) #194

Results are out -

Key Takeaways -

  1. Jump in software product revenues (YoY - 39%).
  2. Improved Profit margins for Software products (12% to 19.8%)
  3. Health care revenue jump and profit jump. This can be due to acquisition (need to watch organic growth from now)
  4. Software services revenues are coming down (YoY - 20% down and QoQ 6% down)
  5. Interest cost went up by 56%

Attached the document in case anyone wants to review it and use it for next quarter:
Virinchi - Results FY17-18.xlsx (12.6 KB)

(naruto) #195

Here are the highlights of the conference call -

IT Products -

  • Added new client - Advanced America(Client for over 11 years) - which will create a 100 Cr revenue for next 5 years. This can create 20 Cr revenue every year and that’ll be 15 Cr addition to EBIT and 10 Cr addition to PAT. This is more of a license fee.
  • Growth forecast: QFund to grow by 8-10%, IT Products - 15-16%
  • Clients are very sticky in nature. Have been with the company over 10 years.
  • IT receivables on an average - 45 days

IT Services -

  • Moving out of SAP/Oracle Implementation.
  • Moving high into the value chain - Analytics, AI etc,. They have refused projects which are not resulting in profits.
  • Pipeline is healthy. Supported by good sales team in US. Sep/Dec would give much better visibility.
  • IT Attrition - 5-8%


  • Occupancy - 20-22%
  • Capex: 5-7 Cr for adding new 50 beds; 40 Cr for oncology
  • From 70-80 doctors in Apr 17 to ~180 doctors now
  • Medical tourism from MENA is contributing to the revenues.
    • One doctor in specific is spending close to 20 days in a month in Nigeria.
    • They have a tie up with around 100 doctors in Nigeria to refer patients to here.
  • Overall Debt - 148 Cr (Interest rate - ~12.2%) {i am not sure if i got this number correctly over phone)
  • Company is planning to launch V23 app similar to Practo.
  • On growing receivables, they gave lot of details.
    • 10-15% of hospital revenue comes from corporates/insurance/govt.schemes.
    • For Govt. schemes, receivables will take 6 months.
    • Regular insurance - 45-60 days;
    • By next year, 25-30% contribution should come from these components.

Management is forthcoming to lot of questions.

(Amit Mehta) #196

Blended interest cost is 10.5%

(NamantS) #197

Valuations seem great right now. It’s been falling a lot, almost 25% fall in 4days. Is there any stock specific reason that I’m missing or just falling with the overall trend.

Dislcosure: haven’t invested yet.

(NamantS) #198

Had a look at June shareholding pattern. Promoter holding down to 44% from 50%.
What is the reason? Seems like a huge red flag if there’s no plausible explanation.
Would be helpful if anybody could give some insights.


have promoters sold shares or this is dilution?

(PE_Ratio) #200

Promoters are holding the same number of shares in Q42018 and Q12019 - 1,34,25,300.
Directors of the company in their meeting held on 23rd April, 2018 approved the allotment of 18,58,284 Equity shares under Virinchi Employees Stock Option Scheme, 2016, who have exercised their options.

So, basically promoter holding % reduced due to the dilution that happened through the above ESOP.

(NamantS) #201

Okay so it’s just a dilution.
Rupee depreciation and also advance America deal will surely boost Q1 results.
Expecting around 25-30%improvement In bottom line atleast due to Advance America and improvement in margin by 2% or so atleast cause of exchange rate.
However uncertainty remains with regard to the occupancy rate at the hospital. Would be pleasing to see some postives from the Healthcare side.

(amolk) #202

ESOP allotement of 18.5 Cr rupees. Isn’t this big amount for company like Virinchi? Will this hit the P&L?

(NamantS) #203

The EPS will be impacted due to dilution. Increase in net profit won’t be consistent with increase in EPS due to higher equity base. This changes the projections for share price.


Fortis deal completed at 170 / share which translates into an equity valuation of 1.88 crore per operational bed (assuming 4,685 operational beds as per

Applying any 100% / 75% / 50% / 25% of the Fortis valuation multiple to Virinchi’s healthcare business (550 operational beds as of July 2018) we would get a value of 1,034 cr / 775 cr / 517 cr / 259 cr.

Another way to benchmark the valuation would be to look at EV / EBITDA multiple for listed comps in India. The average EV/EBITDA multiple for 16 listed hospital / healthcare center businesses in India is 17.89x currently. Applying this multiple to 20 crore EBITDA earned by Virinchi Healthcare segment in FY 2018, we would get an EV of 358 crore. Note that this EBITDA number is on the lower side as average capacity utilization for Virinchi was only 20-25% for FY 2018.

I continue to believe that at current market cap of ~300 crore the company is significantly undervalued. One concern is the delay in debt servicing for a few months earlier this year due to which their credit rating was downgraded. Management had clarified that this was a one-off event in the last con call and I have written to IR to check if there’s any update but still awaiting their reply.

Discl. Invested