Virinchi... A bet not to be missed


(barasia) #173

I was replying to the person who thought that there is no effect on
reserves. I do not know the answer to why the reserves reduced despite
that.


(vagator10) #174

Does anyone know the issue price of the warrants? I read thru Regulation 76 which says that it shouldn’t be less than face value. Does it mean that the promoters + preferential investors can elbow minority investors and get allotment at face value or significant discounted price?


(naruto) #175

As we have to be balanced in the views.

Looking at the other side - For such a small company, too much diversification - Software, Infra & Health care.

Discl: Invested


(Vivek Mashrani, CFA) #176

Convertible equity warrants allotted to promoters and strategic investors for issue price of INR 100…this should now technically form a support in medium term.

Good part is the issue price is higher than the prevailing price of ~90-95 during the announcement date. Plus this will have lock-in of 3 years for promoters (including existing shares if I remember correctly) and after issue of new shares from warrants will have further 3 years lock-in.

http://www.bseindia.com/xml-data/corpfiling/AttachLive/aa648a40-451a-4659-ae29-3ee873eb94f1.PDF

Discl: Invested


(barasia) #177

Just to understand as to why would promoters allot warrants to themselves instead of buying in the open market, apart from the obvious that they are reducing their risk, they get to buy a higher stake with lesser liquidity which they can convert at a later date when they do have the required funds. Any other pros/cons?

And regarding the effect of warrants on share capital/reserves, if they have to pay only a certain percent of the total value of the shares during the allocation, does the share capital/reserves only increase by the amount given the promoters or the entire value of the shares? And does the promoter shareholding increase right away or after the warrants are converted to equity?


(Amit Mehta) #178

Investor Presentation for quarter ended 31st December,2017

http://www.bseindia.com/xml-data/corpfiling/AttachLive/f300203f-8145-4b9b-ac5f-2b5c954cc4ce.pdf


(Amit Mehta) #179

Promoters have acquired more shares…
http://www.bseindia.com/corporates/anndet_new.aspx?newsid=900d983c-9f94-4b54-ac99-c297f67c09ce

Not substantial but still suggest business going in the right direction…

Disc: Invested


(nevermore) #180

Was anyone here able to attend the Analyst / Investor meet in Mumbai on Jan 15th?


(naruto) #181

The investor presentation doesn’t talk about FY18 quarters. Anyone noticed that?

Apologies if this is a naive query.


(barasia) #182

I had a short chat with Mr. Shrinivas (IR contact). The notes were made after the conversation from memory and so certain figures may be slightly off.

planning on opening hospitals in MP (indore, raipur), Orissa, Chattisgarh… mainly under penetrated areas
should cost 25 lakhs/bed for a 100-200 bed hospital and 40 lakhs/bed for a 400-500 bed hospital since a larger hospital will have the best technology available
their arpob is already 29000/day in 1.5 year old hospital
5000 beds is the target for the next 5 years
This will require a capital of 1500 cr which they intend to raise through PE funding over time
Within 12 months, they will attempt to raise 100-200 cr and set up hospitals according to that and as they grow in size, they will continue to raise funds
Transferring funds from the US can only be done after paying taxes over there

they see an opportunity in India for tying up with a private Indian bank to provide credit cards through their app
they will ask for aadhar, pan card, bank details, social network accounts to assess credit
banks generally give Rs. 4000-5000 to agents to sign up new customers
in this case, the bank will give 1500 to Virinchi for bringing the client and nothing further for transactions as it will use the free UPI system
currently, credit cards charge 1.5-2.5% to merchants which is shared among the network and the banks
banks will benefit by being able to cross-sell their products…
there are 75 cr bank accounts, out of which 25 cr accounts maintain minimum balance. About 3 cr credit cards held by 1.25 cardholders
This app-based system will target the 23-24 cr ppl who do not have any unsecured mode of payment. (This figure of 23-24 cr is definitely a very rough estimate in my opinion as people have multiple bank accounts)

tyohar foods was a company incorporated by Mr. Kompella because he was interested in starting mobile restaurants for providing affordable food and replace street food. the plan has been shelved.


(vibs6615) #183

~1500cr fund raising (even over a few years) sounds a lot given their MCap is 300cr+. Large portion of EQ will be diluted in this case. EPS will take a hit. Also in last 2 qtrs, there has not been a material change in hospital biz numbers on a consolidated basis.


(Nolan) #184

In last five years, their revenue grew at a CAGR of ~34% (78.68 cr. in 2013 to 334.4 TTM), PAT at ~48%. For the same period, their debt increased at a pace of ~49% CAGR and equity at ~8%. Their reserves have grown at ~20%. They have diluted equity only once last year (in 5 years) when they decided to merge Bristlecone Hospitals. Much of the growth has been funded by debt and yet they have been able to maintain a reasonable gearing of 0.77. From a period, when operating margin hovered around 15-20 percent, they are now closing in on ~30% operating margin. Given their numbers in past five years, I don’t seen any red flags so far. It gives me confidence about their growth plans going forward. Besides most of all, the management team is highly qualified and would have thought deeply before setting audacious goals.

Still, if you wish to judge them by the flat growth in hospital business for a quarter or two, then you are free to do that. But in my opinion, it would be myopic, and slightly unfair considering their efforts in past few years. If only we allow them time and be a little patient, Virinchi might turn out to be a very long term story and not just a 1-2 quarter kind of blip.


(Alphin) #185

I have posted earlier about my stock buying and reasons for buying. Now, I have sold almost 80% of my holdings in the stock. Still, balance 20% forms a significant part of the portfolio. Reasons as listed below:

  1. The stock was a huge allocation for me and after the run-up became a huge part of my portfolio.

  2. The Equity dilution did take out a significant portion of growth from retail investors.

  3. As stock price went up, the margin of safety reduced and the stock was in the region of being near fair priced. I had missed such opportunities in the stock earlier waiting it to be perfectly priced. The opportunity cost of being invested can be significant given the marginal returns possible from hereon.

  4. It seems that rapid growth phase will come down a bit as hospital business will have to slowly grind its way up, Significantly altering the valuations.

  5. I think in case of correction stock can be picked up at cheaper prices.

  6. As issue raised by vibs6615 , ramping upto 5000 beds is not a easy target to achieve in terms of financing and breaking even, In all fairness, I think unless they acquire running hosipitals or merge with them this target is not reasonable to achieve.

The positives still left in the stock:

  1. Hospital business still has a long way to go.

  2. Management is talented.

  3. Hospital is still undervalued based on acquirers multiple.

  4. Huge runway for growth in healthcare.

  5. Experience in financial and healthcare data analytics.

My probable future Entry points:

  1. Stock goes below 95.

  2. Other hospital acquisition to increase beds, or new hospital construction with conservative capital raising.

  3. Adoption of downloadable credit card by retail customers.


(1.5cr) #186

My personal bias view on Virinchi promoters.
I think that they are determined to drive up valuation of the company. To do this they must change the publics perception of chor mgmt. They are taking steps by appointing an IR team. Im sure they will work towards chaning this perception by increasing dividends and distributing special dividends every now and then.
Only issue is, in order to expand, they have proposed to to raise funds via PE, QIP. I think QIP will be the ideal route as they can bring in some reputed funds.
Equity fund raising is not something that I’m fond of, but if they can trule create value out of the fund raising, then it makes sense.
I still perceive them as the type of people who will drive up valuation as opposed to focus on the long term health of the company. These things will have to priced in for me to enter the company. I think close to 80 bucks would be my entry point.
I would like the mgmt to grow organically by funding aquisitions/expansion through internal accruals.


(Nolan) #187

I don’t deny Virinchi has a tendency of providing deep discounts intermittently. But from a high of 150+, it trades at sub-120 levels, which is a 20%+ kind of discount already. I won’t comment on any further downside potential, but the numbers already reflect deep value in the stock. Its trading at - PE of 11, PEG of 0.33, PB of 1.4, PBXPE of 15.8,Earnings yield of 12%, EVEBITDA of 5.4, Graham Number of 140, MCap to Sales of 0.96. The return ratios are healthy - ROCE 13.8%, ROE 14.3% and CROCI of 16.3%. I do understand completely your reasons to sell and I understand the risks of holding a micro cap as well, but I would genuinely like you to help me understand why you feel it is available at fair valuation with reduced margin of safety, when the numbers tell a different story. The future, although uncertain, looks quite bright given their goals, considering its still just a micro cap. Good managements habitually set audacious goals to the point of being unreasonable (yet achievable) to motivate their human resource to stretch and go the extra mile (Remember the Stretch initiative by Jack Welch while he was transforming GE?). This way, if the workforce achieves even 80% of the targeted goals, its an achievement, and any top up on it is a handsome bonus. Also, do you not think its a bit early to take a call on their hospital business which is fairly new and would take sometime to pace up. Their software division has always been robust and the company is looking to explore future growth opportunities in India. The margins are on the high side and do run the risk of peaking out, but as long as they keep improving the capacity util. of the hospital business, they have enough headroom to grow even without further capex.

In last five years, Company’s highest PE has reached a max of 17.8 and highest PB has been a max of 2.3. These valuations considering the growth of the Company seem pretty reasonable and it gives me a sense that Promoter’s have not indulged in pumping up the stock in last five years. Secondly, if they are hiring a professional agency to look after the investor relations, its a step in the positive direction. If you would have noticed, the average volumes being traded in the market in last 1-1.5 years is much greater than its past average. It shows growing interest among investors. Responding to investor queries efficiently or having a fully dedicated IR team in-house may not be a practical solution for a Company of a magnitude of Virinchi. Lastly, they haven’t even given dividends since 2013, let alone increasing it. With growth plans in place, I wonder if they would be distributing profits in coming years but a small portion in dividend can at best be a welcome step.


(Alphin) #188

Hi Nolan, I agree with your point of view, as stated, I myself am still holding 8% in my portfolio. So you see it was a huge position for me. I sold at 135/- from which point i thought the upside was roughly 30% more, compared to almost 90% return LTCG from my buy price.

I have valued Hospial Buisness at 60/- and software at 90-100. Unless some new initiatives contribute to topline or bottomline the management commentary should be taken with a pinch of salt. I believe when stock goes beyond 150-180 the stock becomes priced as growth stock which cannot be held with a huge allocation.

These are some of my conservative thinking and may be wrong too. But given the market scenario it better to be conservatively wrong.


(PE_Ratio) #189

Long-term support. Broke the support in couple of occassons, but then quickly recovered.


(PE_Ratio) #190

Monthly chart forming cup pattern. Also beautiful thing is that the volume is also forming a cup pattern.