Neuland Laboratories Limited - Transformation towards niche APIs?

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Austedo Q4 results are not yet out. I will post it whenever it is available, to compare the results.

@sahil_vi Is this in par with your expectations?

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yes absolutely.

Management had already indicated that Q3 wont be that good.

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Sajal sir expressed almost same concern on earnings call today. Please do watch the management commentary.

(9:00 minutes onwards)

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There’s expiry of 2 molecules in cms divison.As mentioned from 40 minute onwards. Not expecting any more patent experies in the next 3 years atleast. As per the concall

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Observing this business from a distance for past few quarters. Management is talking about blockbuster molecules but not able to commit anything beyond Q4FY22. Looks like there will not be any movement in next 24 months and business will showcase lumpiness as in the current form. Don’t see any significant upside risk in next 2 years compared to general market. There are step change business available in the market in the similar valuation range having visible trajectory. Disc: Not invested

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I may be wrong here. But if you see their growth trajectory 2011 to 2015, the business was flat. Same trend again 2016 to 2018. So it may be wrong to expect 20% yoy consistently from this company. The management will always project they are doing good but it is not matching with the numbers. Its no doubt an excellent company but only for patient investors who have bought it at very low PE. The kind of triggers what one finds in Laurus and Jubilant Ingrevia is not found in here.

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Austedo was facing headwinds in terms of generating demand…in the US

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One more Q to all. Is there any other feed where I can post this on valuepickr.
So that more detailed discussion can be done on these biases.
Means I can see a mental model one but this is more like behavioral biases.

Regards,
Dr. Vikas

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Also, it’s not about Neuland only. Almost all the Pharma companies are facing short term headwinds of RM prices, logistical challenges. EBITDA margins are squeezed for almost all barring few.

This was expected as you mentioned and might continue for near term.

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Unit - 3 is a 40% addition to overall revenue. So at full utilization we will have around 1300cr topline ?

I couldn’t find such a guidance from Neuland’s management on previous earnings call. Ofcourse they had mentioned about contracts of raw materials. Higher raw material prices and it’s effect on margin was expected. But have you expected the decline in topline?

Management had mentioned on Q2 earnings call that they were seeing very good traction on Mirtazepine, Levofloxacin and Labetalol.

And 2 months later when the Q3 has ended, they are now saying that Mirtazepine hasn’t performed to their expectations owing to lower customer uptake.

Talking about increased raw material pricing, there is one thing I didn’t understand. Material cost of Q3 is 40%, which is lower than previous quarters. Then the raw material cost is lesser than previous quarters, right?

I will add few earnings call snippets regarding management’s justification of lower revenues.

Q3 - Levetiracetam and Mirtazepine didn’t perform to our expectations. This is largely owing to lower customer off take and hopefully we should be back to that with next few quarters.

Q2 - Few products didn’t perform to our expectations which are largely owing to customers delaying their orders, hopefully we’ll be able to get those orders soon.

Q1 - Dip in revenues because of the delay in execution of projects. Whatever hit we had in Q1 would be delivered in subsequent quarters. Expect FY22 performance to be intact.

Q4 last year - Commercial orders were low and that’s because we didn’t have orders in that quarter, we perhaps delivered in Q3 or we will deliver them in the upcoming quarters.

It seems delay in orders are a routine thing for them. Management always had justification for lower revenues and lack in growth. They had guided about spillage of revenue into subsequent quarters, a few times. But had we seen that? I will continue moniter the company for some positive developments, better execution and better numbers.

GLP-1 agonist peptides Semaglutide and Liraglutide are 2 molecules which I’m very positive on their future potential. I have been keenly watching Neuland for their ability in peptide space and to know more about their commercialisation plans of these 2 peptides.

They have been developing both these peptides from early 2019, I believe.

In the past, management had guided that it would take 2 years to file a DMF of a peptide molecule. But it has been nearly 3 years, and they are still in early development phase and expect to file DMF at the end of FY23. In annual reports and blogs, they had always highlighted about their expertise in the peptide manufacturing. But we are yet to see a peptide DMF filing from Neuland. I will wait for some execution from the management.

In one of the previous earnings call, they had mentioned about their aspirations of being the first to supply generic versions of Semaglutide locally and internationally. But now, Indian players like Dr.Reddy’s and Sun pharma have already got US-DMF for Semaglutide. Bigger player like Piramal pharma is also developing Semaglutide and Liraglutide. Almost 20 players are working on these 2 molecules globally and almost 9 of them have got US DMF.

Competition is little more intense in Liraglutide. Indian players like Biocon, Sun pharma, Dr.Reddys have already got US DMF for Liraglutide.

In the peptide space, one CDMO worth watching for is Swiss based ‘Polypeptide’.

I think they are the largest peptide manufacturer in the world manufacturing nearly 50% of all currently approved peptide drugs. (Remember, Neuland is yet to file a peptide DMF)

Another concerning aspect is Polypeptide has got 6 manufacturing facilities and one of those facilities is in India, strategically placed near a port.



It will be interesting to monitor how Neuland make use of it’s expertise on peptide field and how fastly and efficiently they develop the commercial volumes of peptide molecules.

Disc: Tracking, studying. Don’t have any position. Might add if price becomes favourable for me.

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So this was the question I was talking about.
There has been some kind of mismatch between narrative and numbers. I would say, management couldn’t stay true to their words. Management always paints a positive picture and often talks about tremendous opportunity ahead of them and deliver weak numbers and mediocre margins. At the one end of spectrum, we have companies like Suven delivering very strong margins from CNS molecules, then we have Neuland who couldn’t exploit and capitalise a blockbuster molecule like Deutetrabenazine which they had been an only manufacturing partner once. (I’ve already wrote about why I think so)

Are you guys satisfied with the response given by the management on Sajal sir’s question?

Sajal sir has asked about the mismatch between narrative and numbers on a longer term like, for the past 1 year i suppose.

What management answers are

  1. For some
    products, either for a quarter or for a year we might see a dip in sales, because
    of stocking up of the customers of certain products

  2. For other reasons that haven’t been specified

  3. Some of
    the approvals that we originally anticipated didn’t materialize from a timing
    perspective. (Have they got enough sales from the molecules they have already got approval?)

4.Products like broad spectrum antibiotics, such as Ciprofloxacin, Levofloxacin which
are also degrowing.

  1. Mirtazapine, and Levetiracetam - We have seen dip in shipments for these two products. That could be because customers are holding on to inventory from the
    orders that they may have placed in the past or it’s just that they don’t have
    production campaign or a need right now.

(But on Q2 earnings call, the same management has told that they were seeing very good traction on Mirtazepine.)

Once again, management is expecting spillage of revenues on subsequent quarters. This has been the same thing management has conveyed in previous quarters.

There were questions in the past earnings calls regarding why the CMS commercialised molecules revenues were falling continously. That time management had conveyed that CMS revenues were lumpy and they were expecting spillage of revenues on subsequent quarters. But on recent earnings call they have told that, it was due to patent expiry of one of the molecule. “That has actually been the single factor that has created that drop in
Commercial revenues.” They could have told this on the earlier con calls.

For me, the communication and justifications provided by the management are not up to the mark. There is clear mismatch between numbers and narrative for me. Execution has been weak in the past also. I will wait for some good execution from the management and improvement in numbers and margins. (DMF filing of peptide molecules will be great)

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Hi Dr.Midhun,

Good Insights. Curious to know if there are already over 20 players in Semaglutide and more in Liraglutide, what would Neuland’s advantage be?
I gather you are positive about the 2 molecules per se. However wouldn’t Neuland be a marginal player if the big boys have already gone in ahead of them?

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IMHO we can’t say for sure who will gain market share and develop competitive advantage.

Liraglutide is an injectable. Semaglutide can be an injectable as well as an oral peptide. So, expertise on sterile manufacturing, great compliance track record, large scale peptide manufacturing capability, lowest cost production are essential for the success.

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Agree with 90% points you have made Dr midhun execution has definitely been lack lustre. Lot of promise. Lot of potential. Lot of dreams. Execution is lacking.

Your calculations of gross margin are a little off as we need to include change in inventory while computing gross margins. @Worldlywiseinvestors can probably comment more on it since financial are not my strong point personally.

Just to add some more data point on lack of execution:

Teva results were recently. Austedo sales jumped 50% QoQ in Q4cy21. Neuland commercial sales for 9mfy22 are flat. We can safely assume that they have lost incremental wallet share of Teva if not altogether lost the cms contract (since management has not talked about that in concall).

Disc : invested

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GM’s
Q3FY22:- 55%
Q2FY22:- 56%
Q1FY22:- 58%
Q4FY21:- 56%
Q3FY21:- 54%
Q2FY21:- 52%
Q1FY21:- 51%

Employee costs have risen to as high as 20% of sales.
Manufacturing+Other expenses have also increased both YoY and QoQ.

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On analysing the new API product list of Neuland (Jan 2022), it seems like Neuland is no longer developing or manufacturing the peptide Octreotide.


Octreotide was one peptide which was on Neuland’s R&D pipeline from 2018 and they couldn’t commercialise it until last quarter. (Octreotide was there in API product list of Oct 2021 under developing molecules)

Don’t know what might be the reason for omission of a molecule which they had been developing for past 4 years. This also questions their peptide capability. I think we should ask the management about the reason for this in the next concall.

When Neuland doesn’t even have a single peptide DMF to their name, Piramal pharma is advancing better in peptide space.

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In my opinion those who are tracking Neuland should watch out for probable rise in freight rates and subsequent margin erosions in coming quarters.

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Global sales (Billion Dollars/year)

Octreotide - $1.8 B
Liraglutide - $4.9 B

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