Hitesh portfolio

@Mandar_Chatufale

I usually don’t look too much at Nifty levels or valuations. There is a bigger broader market beyond Nifty. And as long as we don’t have a catastrophic fall for whatever reason, it makes sense to stay focussed on companies you own. I mentioned earlier in the thread too that there are definite signs of euphoria, but that itself is not enough to warrant a correction. Sometimes the bubble like parabolic moves in some stocks during bull markets happen in the fancied stocks in fancied sectors. That’s where a lot of money can be made. If we keep viewing Nifty in the rear view mirror , it will be difficult to ride these rallies.

It does seem to be a time to be cautious and careful about the companies we invest in. (when is it not? :grinning:) But there are signs of froth in IPO markets, SME and some small cap companies valuations etc. So need to avoid those sectors and stocks.

@Kunal7 I have not heard about Valiant communications and don’t know anything about it. You can go through company website, annual reports etc. Maybe attend AGM if and when possible. If still you cannot develop conviction, it makes sense to look elsewhere.

@Anuj137 I don’t have much idea about Aavas or its corporate development.

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@hitesh2710 hi what are your thoughts about irb invit considering its trading at a valuation where the dividend yield is 12% and we know for a fact that sooner or later interest rates are going to fall?

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#you mean " IRB InvIT Fund "?
how can a fund give div yld?

@raku

IRB Invit price has been going down almost since listing if I were to infer from chart visible on screener. Besides, I cannot find the payout history. I do not have much idea about IRB Invit.

Few years back I had bought Indigrid Invit because I considered the electrical transmission assets better than toll assets. That worked out well with good payouts and price appreciation. Even now it offers better than FD returns, though safety with FD still remains the highest. Though I sold off after some time because at that time I found pure equity investment more attractive.

Overall I am not a big fan of fixed income instruments, having had a good experience with equity investments.

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WEALTH CREATION IN INVESTING.

  1. BET BIG ON YOUR BEST IDEA.

Having interacted with a lot of fellow investors who have made it big in the last few years, one thing that comes across is that the difference between the men and boys is in the kind of outsized bets the successful investors manage to take. Now this term BIG is a bit confusing.

For a reasonably diversified investor say having 15-20 stocks, levels of 10-15% allocation may be big whereas for those who hold less than 10 stocks, anything between 20-30% is big. I have seen folks take nearly 40-50% allocation on their best ideas.

It is for an investor himself to decide what is big for him/her.

There will often be times when there are 2-3-5 equally attractive ideas to bet on and in such times one has to use prudent judgement to allocate capital in terms of ranking of attractiveness.

The key attribute here is that you have to know what you are buying and what are its triggers. What are the key monitorables in the company, and when to exit when things do not appear to be going right.

There has to be no emotional attachment to the company you own. If facts change, act fast and decisively. There is no place for hope or hail Marys. The markets don’t care for your Egos.

  1. SCALING UP.

Once an idea is identified, and investment is done, usually it is done at a very attractive entry point, because that is where good investors excel. Their risk reward is clearly defined. And if and when the stock price starts moving in your favor, after rally ( can be brief or prolonged) there will be periods of pause, inspite of continuous positive developments.

Initially when the idea is identified, picture is not very clear, and there is a lot of intelligent guesswork, scuttlebutt etc involved. But as time progresses, new facts, new data points emerge to make the picture more clear. When this happens, the periods of pause, consolidation are the times when position can be scaled up. There will be folks who start off with big allocations and after run up are hampered by overall portfolio allocation to the particular big idea. For them scaling up is difficult, though some really smart and aggressive folks do manage to scale up. But for others with space to scale up, it makes sense to scale up. It always makes sense to keep up with the developments in the company and sector in question by going through concalls, scuttlebutt, attending the AGMs, or meeting management at any possible time, going through useful resources like good write ups on relevant VP threads etc.

  1. EXITS

This is often the most difficult part of the whole process. Often times because of the mind blowing rallies in the big idea, investors tend to get into inertia mode and are often carried away by price momentum and keep holding inspite of dark clouds on the horizon. There will be times when the picture becomes darker, or other times when run up has been so strong that there is mismatch in price performance. Stocks often start factoring in earnings of next 2-3-4 years. If this kind of scenario emerges, one has to take action, often going against contrary public opinion.

Exits can be in form of tranches, or if opportunity presents itself in form of parabolic moves, in a single shot. This depends on individual mindset.

For faster wealth creation, capital being limited has to work harder and once all the positives are factored in, it makes sense to trim/exit to create fund for the next big idea and next big allocation.

HOW TO REACH ABOVE STAGE IN AN INVESTING CAREER.

Most important factor in being capable to bet big is to be ready as an investor.

Learn the important aspects of investing. Do not take short cuts in terms of You Tube videos, or short training courses. This is a journey of a lifetime and the beginning phase involves lot of reading and more importantly re reading of good books. If on first reading of a book, things start resonating with you, then read it multiple times till you master whatever is written in the book.

For the sake of repetition, I am listing books which helped me immensely in growing as an investor.

  1. No guesses. :grinning: One up on wall Street by Peter Lynch. . For me this was a life changing read and the more number of times i read this book, the more clarity I got regarding various types of companies, market froth, so on and so forth. I must have read it nearly 12-15 times and still enjoy re reads. Easy narration, good wit and clear articulation.

  2. How to make money in stocks by William O Neil. I am guilty of not reading this book multiple times and aim to correct it over time. But having read some books that are offshoots of learnings provided in this book, like The next apple, or the Minervini books which basically are momentum investing books, we get a fair idea about what O Neil preaches.

  3. Five rules for successful stock investing by Pat Dorsey. This is the book which deals with science part of investing. You can latch on to an idea from whatever source. But analysing that company in details needs some skill because betting big on the best idea requires a lot of clarity of thought, and a detailed analysis is a good way to reach there.

There are many more books, but in my view the above list is the absolutely must for someone with no background or formal education on subject of investing. Make notes of your learnings and try to formulate a mental template of how to analyse a particular company and a particular sector.

  1. BE A SPONGE.

Keep learning and trying out new things even if initially it is shunned by most people, or it appears difficult to learn or master. Given enough efforts, very few things are too difficult to learn. Don’t brush off anything in the process of learnings. Learn to get rid of your biases while learning something new.

Few years back, I had seen people bad mouth technical analysis and nowadays it seems to be the new fad. I have seen folks who were hardcore Warren Buffett/Charlie Munger fans learn technical analysis and excel at that. Just because WB has denounced technical analysis does not mean it is useless. Its just that he does not need it because he excels at fundamental analysis to an extent that he finds other disciplines of investing useless. But for other ordinary folks like us, it makes sense to have as many arrows in the quiver as possible, to excel as an investor.

  1. BE OBSERVANT.

This can be in different forms. There is no alternative to common sense when it comes to investing and learning.

If one is a keen market observer and observes and analysis stuff and things, it is a great way of being street smart. Observing froth, apathy, affecting a particular company or a sector inspite of positive developments is often the key to exit in time , or find winners respectively.

If someone is a regular visitor on forums like VP, then a keen observer will be able to discern who among the boarders are the smart, generous, honest and forthcoming folks. Whose ideas click more regularly over time. Learn to read whatever they write and try to absorb and analyse.

Try to find out whose style resonates with your style and follow him regularly.

  1. AVOID ASKING FOR TIPS AND FREEBIES

This is a big turn off for any person. When someone asks a question "What do you think about this company? , without providing any kind of background on the company it is a big turn off for folks like me. It tells me that the guy asking the question has not done any hard work and just wants spoon feeding. For the sake of nicety, generous people will provide reasonable answers, but those will be brief. If a question is asked, it has to be with proper background information and with such relevant details that the guy answering feels pleased and excited to respond to it.

Spoon feeding is not going to take you places. It will provide you with an idea or two, but the most important aspect in betting big, which is conviction will be lacking. That’s where sincere and systematic learning comes in. Idea is to learn the process from anyone ready to teach, rather than get ideas straightaway.

FINALLY once you have reached the place you have desired to reach, be ready to share. Sharing learning is the biggest form of philanthropy. Provide a helping hand to someone willing to learn and do the hard yards.

AVOID BOASTING. Dont blow your trumpets and keep publicising your winners or success. It is the first step towards destruction and desolation.

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Dear @hitesh2710, Thanks for the knowledge sharing you’ve been doing for many years.

How’s the STCG and LTCG increase affecting your sell decisions? For me the portfolio churn has reduced at least temporarily.

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I agree, that long term holdings create value.
But can you elaborate on why swing shouldn’t be considered.
I’m asking to learn for personal basis.
My thoughts process is find a good stock, fundamentally good.
Enter at right time(easier said than done).
I exit when my stock reaches 15% unrealised. This usually, looking at the trend of my pickings happens at min 2 weeks to 2 months at max.
Anualize my returns, it is very good and substantial.

So why stay in the game for long run.

I do know there is value to being in the game in the long run. But to me swing outshines it.
Let me know the other side of this.

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Hello @hitesh2710 sir,

Thank you so much for going through all the questions and answer them so patiently.

In one of your interview, you have mentioned one of the way to generate stock idea is to look for the recently listed companies in out of favor sectors.
Couple of names come to mind is India shelter (Finance) and Indegene (Pharma+IT) with good promotors and operating in industry with long runway.
Could you please suggest any other names that is on your radar?

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@Sudhakar_Subramanian

As per the latest budget tweaks, both LTCG and STCG have increased from 10% and 15% to 12.5% and 20% respectively. While this is a dampener, we have to take these things in our stride because we cannot do anything about them. Death and taxes are few of the certain things in life.

Whether this has induced any changes in investing style, well, in picks where the time period is approaching 1 year mark, it makes sense to allow that period to complete before contemplating selling because quantum of taxes to be paid goes up from 12.5% to 20% which is a big jump of 7.5%. These calculations apply more to the structural stories in the portfolio where the clarity of earnings for next 1-2-3 years is very high.

For stocks where there is short term momentum, worrrying too much about taxes does not help much. Once targets are reached and if then there are signs of exhaustion of trend, it makes sense exit and capture profits rather than see the stock price go at or below your buy price.

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@Lightning66

Your post reminds me of myself in my early investing days. I will quote an anecdote to highlight this point. I had bought TTK prestige at the then price of around 115-120 levels in 2008-2009, when I found it attractive considering the runway for growth and valuations ( it was then available at 10 PE). In the rally post 2008-09 everything was going up and the better quality stocks were going up even more. I saw levels of around 180 within 2-3 months of my purchase and with a thinking similar to your own, booked my profits of 50% on my investment. A doctor colleague had also bought the same thing on my advice at same levels. He did not sell. In next 2-3 years stock price went up to levels of 6500, a 50 bagger and my doctor colleague was able to sell at those levels. I got 50% returns while he got a 50 bagger inspite of the stock idea being my own idea. Those kind of episodes tend to teach you valuable lessons if you can analyse your mistakes.

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This is perfect statement. Beyond a certain point, we as investors have to take such things in our stride.

In fact, some times these higher taxes are counter productive. Few investors will certainly end up holding stocks for more than a year, to keep their taxes at lower level and May end up loosing some of the gains and in turn GOI will also get lesser taxes from such investors - Lesser Gains and Hence Lesser taxes.

Over a period, once Taxman understand that, these increased taxes are not adding much value, they may feel otherwise, but till that point, an investor have to pay what ever taxes are required to be paid.

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@ChalakPadiku ( I like the VP ID name. :grinning: )

As of now I don’t have any new names on my radar of any recent listings which qualify as future winners. But that’s maybe because the IPO pricing is quite aggressive in tune with markets at all time highs.

However one company I have liked and bought recently has been BMW Industries. It is a steel converter and listed in 2021 ( not too recent to consider it as recent IPO). It has had a string of good quarterly and annual numbers. It’s a small cap company with 1600 crore market cap but has good basic characteristics of a company. High promoter (74%) holding, debt reduced in 2024, improving ROEs, improving sales, with steady margins, good addressable market, and management does presentations and concalls which makes it easy to track this company. Capex is coming on stream . If someone is interested in this company doing research is relatively easy because of the availability of resources at the click of a button of the computer. ( but if one is contemplating investing in such small caps, it is absolutely essential to do proper study and get enough conviction to hold during tough times. Just because someone like me or someone else has bought should not be a reason to buy)

Best thing to focus is good quality IPO coming during bear markets. That is when we get to choose really good companies listing at reasonable or cheap valuations.

The other aspect related to IPO I talked about once was that stocks that cross post IPO highs was a way to play momentum with appropriate stop losses.

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Thanks Hitesh, for the prompt reply.
I guess as you’ve said, I’m yet to experience that opportunity cost or loss feeling.

I plan to have a mix of long terms and swings in my portfolio.
Will see how well it plays out. Only time will tell.

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Thank you so much sir for the reply and complement on name (Actually it was given to me by my Mom)!
Yes , you did mention it as IPOs in a bear market, but I somehow remembered it as IPOs in an ignored sector.
Maybe it’s time to revisit that interview again, I really enjoyed it and appreciate your ability to identify companies at early stage (so many company forums were started by you in VP when they were really small)

if someone wants go through the interview, here is the link : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-3BpExbdZ8A

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Sir, I took some exposure in BIL last month. However, I guess the trigger will come once they renew the agreement with Tata Steel which was due in Mar '24 but discussions are still to be concluded. The reason I couldn’t take big exposure was their over reliance on Tata steel. There JV with SAIL is very small. They have again ventured in B2C (earlier business closed during covid) but management has clearly said it will be very small part of the business. So sir, based on this business information, what gives you confidence in BIL?

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@santoshj

BIL is a small company with its own set of problems. But last 3 years results in terms of topline and bottomline provides some comfort. Management is , guiding for 17-18% topline growth over medium term with slightly improved margins, but we need to see how it pans out.

To account for above set of variables, I have kept allocations very low and will scale up once picture becomes clearer or growth story continues. Everyone should do their own diligence. There is a thread on VP on the company also.

link… BMW Industries Ltd (Steel Service center)

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Hi Hitesh bhai,

Thanks for taking your time to share your views on this forum.

I’d love to hear your thoughts on Sundaram Finance Holdings Ltd. The stock is a holding entity with stakes in several businesses like Brakes India, Turbo Energy, and Axles India, all of which are unlisted.

I get that holding companies generally trade at a discount, but Sundaram Finance Holdings is currently at a TTM P/E ratio of 16.41, which seems quite cheap in today’s buoyant market. With most of its subsidiaries being unlisted and no quarterly earnings calls, I’m finding it tough to research this stock properly.

Your take on whether this might be a good investment would be super helpful. Are there any risks or upsides that I might be missing?

Looking forward to your thoughts!

Hello Sir,
I have been following you for a while and have learnt quite a lot.
I wanted to know what are your opinions on Narayana Hrudayalaya?
The P/E much lesser than it’s peers and the P/E is also lesser than it’s EPS. It’s net profit also has been growing YOY. So I was thinking it could be a good value buy. The promoters are also pretty solid. I am a newbie here, so might be overlooking some of the numbers.

Also tried thinking of it in terms of Lynch classification but couldn’t really fit it anywhere. Is it a fast grower?

I have been following the NH thread as well on VP but wanted your insights.