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Ashok leyland…a sleeping giant is gearing up for Green hydrogen revolution.
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L&T feels that its EPC business around Green Hydrogen will be bigger that electrolyser
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Om…which Hy ICE engine prototypes are out ?
I see above ashok leyland’s concept but i would wish to see a news where actual truck is being pulled by Hy ICE or atleast a prototype or PoC (proof of concept)…the same goes for Reliance…even tatas set up R&D for Hy ICE.
So which are the engine prototypes other than JCB engine ?..if you’ve came across any news
If i try to find contra view on Hy ICE > Here's Why a Hydrogen Combustion Engine Will Never Be Popular
Let say this might have been written by A Petrolhead out of a love for gasoline engine…but i would always love to identify,how much traction Hy ICE engine has gained in india, How far the idea progressed on the ground rather than on paper ?
So further to this.
Both Gail and NTPC have awarded contracts to Ohmium and Technip Energies(listed in France) for the Proton Excgange Membrane.
pib.gov.in/PressReleaseIframePage.aspx?PRID=1824727
Technip Energies Awarded India’s Largest PEM Based Hydrogen Project by NTPC | Business Wire
Read below for more understanding, We have two options. Proton Excgange Membrane and Anion Exchange Membrane. Corrsponding advantages and disadvantages mentioned below.
Major Manufacturers of PEM in India(both scale and pilot plants i have added).
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Ohmium : 500 MW to be scaled to 2 GW( American firm launches 2 GW electrolyzer fab in India – pv magazine India (pv-magazine-india.com)
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Reliance Electrolyser Manufacturing Limited: 300 MW
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John Cockerill Greenko Hydrogen Solutions Private Limited: 300 MW
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Advait Infratech Limited (consortium with Rajesh Power Service Private Limited): 100 MW
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Jindal India Limited: 300 MW
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L&T Electrolysers Limited: 300 MW
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Homihydrogen Private Limited: 100 MW
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Adani New Industries Limited: 300 MW
and Abroad
- Ballard Power Systems (Canada)
- Plug Power (United States)
- Hydrogenics (Canada)
- Nuvera Fuel Cells, LLC (United States)
- Horizon Fuel Cell Technologies (China)
- Nedstack Fuel Cell Technology (Netherlands)
- ITM Power (United Kingdom)
- AVL (Austria)
- ElringKlinger (Germany)
- Intelligent Energy (United Kingdom)
- W. L. Gore & Associates (United States)
- Pragma Industries (France)
- Umicore (Belgium)
- Shanghai Shenli Technology Co., Ltd. (China)
- Johnson Matthey (United Kingdom)
The thing is small 5kw Fuel Cells are commodity with small firms also making and selling the same since long time.
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very nice.
any indication how much bottled green hydrogen costs at consumer end/ or the electrolysis facility itself(cost of production) ?
Current costs are roughly $3.5-5/kg for Green, $1.5-2.5 for Grey and $0.75-1 for Black/Regular hydrogen.
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There are 3 Auto india companies those are actively gearing up to produce hydrogen trucks and buses.
- Tata for both ICE & Fuel cell
- Adok Leyland both ICE & Fuel cell in collaboration with Reliance - Trucks are under road trial… They are aiming to retrofit 5000 trucks Hy ICE this year l
- Volvo Eicher - fuel cell.
Few links given below
EPC is nowhere mentioned in the article. It’s all about electrolyses. Please share the text where it is mentioned about EPC. Thanks
Towards the end:
This is not stopping the conglomerate from seeking plain EPC jobs in green hydrogen space, where L&T helps customers set up the plant, without or without its electrolyser.
“Orders from the space are expected to be bigger than the electrolyser’s play and scope,” he added
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Continuing this
Detailed description of the entire green hydrogen process and process chain.
Green hydrogen: A guide to policy making (irena.org)
Various Process for making GH2 taken from Renewable hydrogen for the chemical industry | MRS Energy & Sustainability (springer.com)
Electrolyte and other catalyst consumption materials required for electrolysers.
Renewable hydrogen for the chemical industry | MRS Energy & Sustainability (springer.com)
This link provides an idea where GH2 will finally be used from refineries, steel and chemical industries to power and transportation requirements.
Storage Formats
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Good compilation in deed-it is quite comprehensive displayed in simple Matrix.
Thanks for adding colour to the thread.
What I find an important link is missing. Ultimately, Green hydrogen is supposed to be the raw material fo for generation of Electricity for feeding to Power Grid through an important device called Fuel Cell which would convert Green hydrogen directly to Electricity with water as a bye product.
Again talking about Green hydrogen for electricity Power Grid, Currently, because Fuel Cells are expensive to import and indigenous technology is still being developed, so we are talking of Renewable energy storage solutions. such as battery , Pumped hydro storage where the renewable energy generated is directly stored and used 24×7 depending upon peaks and valleys of power demand and here thete is no need of producing Green hydrogen by electrolyser.
However, all the current storage devices for renewable energy have their own limitation, and finally Fuel cell is the ultimate goal which could finally replace the pumped hydro storage and battery and other such storage solutions.
No GH2 cannot be raw material for energy production. At least as per my limited understanding.
Fuel Cells and alternate transport fuel to EV and fossil fuel is primary reason. Also, it is to build an alternative resource for ammonia, and feedstock into Steel Cement and Other Chemical Industries.
Why to go the longer route of green hydrogen generating electricity when you can directly get electricity from renewable source?
Because all form of energy conversion will have losses within the process. Please share the context.
The only technical issue that still not solved completely yet in electrical supply chain was storage ( in terms of economies of scale), The main issue is consumption and generation happen at different times, So people believe hydrogen will be the storage as well as source for generation.
I think we have already discussed in this thread the subject of Electricity generation from Green hydrogen through electrolysis and then Green hydrogen as inputs for fuel.cell to generate power and thereafter leading to grid connectivity.
Pilot projects are already running in several places in the world including India.
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Thank You. Interesting
What would be cost of this setup. Use Electricity to geneate hydrogen which then is used to generate electricity. Maybe as grid stabalizer is fine or for Off Grid .
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yes you have got it right. An article written by sn expert on the subject.
The problem with renewable energy storage is
(1) Batteries for grid scale application becomes bulky and maintenance cost /recurrent replacement cost is high
(2) Pumped hydro storage system can not be built everywhere. It requires two large storage reservoirs - one at higher elevation and the other at lower level. You can not get every where. Hilly area , perhaps more suitable.
So , now perhaps the future lies in Solar wind energy to Green hydrogen via electrolyser and then Green hydrogen to Electricity generation via fuel cell. Grid stability is ensured.
Currently the cost is higher , but as technology for fuel cell evolves, cost should come down. electrolyser - fuel cell- Grid is an established technology…is the ultimate for power generation.
Battery)pumped storage is the immediate and intermediate solution
The Role of Fuel Cells in Enhancing Grid Stability and Reliability
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