CMS Info Systems Ltd

Nowadays, Hitachi cash is giving tough competition.
Also, my biggest worry is the shutdown of many ATM, of all top banks,

I’m from Hyderabad. in my area, approximately a radius of 2 kilometers, 5 ATMs were completely shut and belong to KOTAK, ICICI, SBi, Axis in less than 2 months.

so this has caused me big worry with this business.
I feel market has sensed this earlier when stock fell from 600 to 450 levels. but since this market has lot of opportunities, we can look to another segment. But this performance is quite disappointing.

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https://www.moneycontrol.com/news/business/rbi-to-take-stock-of-cash-being-handled-by-atm-operator-ags-transact-12967866.html
Opportunity to increase market share in cash logistics for CMS & Hitachi

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https://www.business-standard.com/finance/news/rbi-allows-banks-to-charge-customers-rs-23-per-atm-transaction-from-may-1-125032801031_1.html

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Thesis and Anti-thesis Pointers for the Business

Investment Thesis Pointers
Minimum standards for cash management service providers by RBI and MHA.

In April 2018, RBI introduced certain minimum standards for service providers and sub-contractors engaged in cash management activities, due to banks’ increasing reliance on outsourcing these activities.

Minimum net worth requirement of Rs1bn

Must own or lease a Fleet of 300 LCV with specifically fabricated Cash Vans.

GPS enabled and Live Geo-fencing monitoring, separate passenger and cash compartments with CCTV, wireless communications and tubeless tyres.

Similarly, the Compliance norms like Minimum Standards, Cassette Swapping are beneficial to large players because of the scale of operations, which increases the cost but are then passed onto customers ultimately.

Integrated Offering of Services

The logistics and technology platform coupled with extensive network helps position CMS as a strategic partner for end-to-end outsourcing with banks as a one stop solution positioning themselves as a unique player in the market, where the competitor provides only a handful of services.

Increased outsourcing Leading to TAM Expansion

In Cash Logistics, there are more than 100,000 ATMs that are yet to be outsourced. The organized retail sector is growing at 8% to 10% annually, with 550,000+ touch points, and only less than 1/3rd of these currently outsourced for cash management.

The AIoT Remote Monitoring business presents a large untapped opportunity within the banking and the broader BFSI sector as well as non-BFSI sectors.

Larger-than-normal direct benefit transfer (DBT)-based cash transfers

This will increase the Cash in circulation, as happened during the time of pandemic. Expansion in the Banking cycle and Easing of Liquidity into the system will increase the cash in circulation in economy.

Increase in Interchange ATM Fee

ATM Interchange Fee was increased from INR 15 to INR 17 and from INR 5 to INR 6 for non-cash transactions with effect from August 2021, setting upper limit to INR 21 per transaction. Now, the Confederation of ATM Industry (CATMI) has formally approached RBI to increase this to INR 23 per transaction. (June 2024)

Healthy Dividend

Company has almost been paying ~25% of its profits as Dividend to its shareholders. The company has INR ~7500 Mn of Cash on its books.

Investment Anti-thesis

Reduction in cash in circulation - Challenges from alternative payment methods

Cash in Circulation has expanded as a % of GDP in past 7 years, despite the proliferation of digital payment modes. Proportion of cash payments came down from 80% in FY15 to 68% in FY21, and this down-trend could accelerate going forward, especially with government encouraging transition to a less-cash economy supporting digital transactions.
A sharper-than-expected fall in proportion of cash payments could result in slower deployment of ATMs. (Rise in Digital Payments, adoption of UPI)

Operational Risk

  • Since large amount of cash is handled, certain Business-related risks like Thefts, robberies, frauds & embezzlements, penalties and chargebacks due to non-compliance and Safety in transit may pose some costs on the company. An increase in such costs in future could result in potential loss of business and higher insurance costs.

  • As a Percentage of Revenues these are at around 5% in FY24, this has reduced to around 4% in H1FY25 which is the average for 3-5 years

Client Concentration Risk

Top 2 Clients Contribute 22% and 11% of the total Revenues of the Company.

Regulated Sector

The cash management services have been regulated by the Reserve Bank of India (RBI) with regular interventions and increase in compliance requirements, leading to increase in costs for the ATM service provider.

Empirical Evidence suggests that these costs have been passed onto the customers, but they still remain vulnerable to unforeseen actions.

Disc - Not Invested But, tracking Closely.

One of the largest company in this space AGS transact technology is on verge of bankruptcy. Comparatively CMS info is in very good condition and well managed. CMS has very little to no threat. Its very big in size. Only concern here is its revenue growth.

Disc- Invested & may be biased.

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If revenue cannot grow at mid-teens at minimum, it will be a big concern as market will pay for growth.

In the past they have been able to grow topline ~20%, over 3+ years. Given the slowdown in the current year, we need to see their guidance post Q4.

Management is good, they manage a tight ship. While Hitachi entering seems to have had some impact, the probability of big guys (adani etc.) entering here is very low. Given the regulated nature of business threat of new entrants is low.

In-spite of all this, CMS info gets low valuation because market thinks there is no terminal value for cash management business, as cash gets replaced by digital transactions (data shows cash in circulation growing at a decent clip though). Now, if the growth also slows down, valuations will get lowered further.

Disc - invested. Waiting for Q4 con call and guidance for next couple of years

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Company is reducing it’s reliance on the cash management business.

  • Revenue: ₹627 cr (+5% YoY)
  • • PAT: ₹93.6 cr (+3% YoY)
  • • Cash Logistics: +8% YoY → ₹417 cr
  • • Managed Services: +8% YoY → ₹258 cr
  • • EBITDA: ₹159 cr (+3% YoY)

The numbers are almost flat YOY.
What concerns me the most that the management is targeting 2500 crore revenue by FY27. FY25 revenue itself was 2425 crores, just 75 crores improvement in 2 years is too low.

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Where did you see guidance of 2500 Cr for FY27? They have guided 14-17% growth over FY25-FY27 in their Q4 presentation, which they re-iterated in Q1 FY26 presentation as well.

Q1 Fy26 has not been great. Have to see how things pan out in the coming quarters to meet this guidance.

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I have read it here CMS Info Systems Latest News - Announcements & Live Updates | Dhan

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Anyone tracking the Strategic Acquisition made to acquire Securens Systems for ₹80 crores to scale Vision AI business. Any details how this translates into AI capability?

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with AGS transact probably being out of business, sector is consolidating and cms info holding significant market share ( other being SIS which operate at lower margins) may accumulate monopoly status. FY 26 rresults are crucial all the gains should reflect in financials.

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They are having a monopoly in the declining business. The ATM transactions are declining and therefore even with the monopoly status not much to gain.

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They have Hitachi too right..I see in streets?

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This is from CMS Q4 concall presentation. We have been hearing cash is on the decline for years now but the data shared by CMS does not corroborate it entirely. There might be pockets where it is declining but the broader amount is still growing. Yes, it is not growing at a high rate which is why CMS is focussing more on their Managed Services business and diversifying into remote management with VisionAI.

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Economy is growing, so definitely cash trx will grow as well, but the pace is getting slower. I remember last year it was 6%, now its 5%.
If govt starts charging for upi, then we may see uptick again

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ATM business is decline in metros but semi urban and rural still progressing. You can imagine with each new brsnch targets for opening by banks ATMs target are to be achieved. Secondly AGS transact business will be shared by exisiting player and most probably by CMS. Next three quarters i.e. till Mar 26 shall reflect additional business captured.
Thirdly Co is entering into tech ventures with banks since they have an established relationship and it will be difficult to replace them.
Hitachi is also into this business but CMS has 60% market share in the business.

Also with digital banking increasing day by day ATMs will not be restricted to cash only all other products will eventually enter ATMs and perhaps they will also be managed by these players. But these r thesis time will tell how it goes.
Disc am invested DYOR!

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All other products, such as?
do we have ATMs that provide services other than cash deposit/wiithdrawal, and other basic account related services

People are unlikely to use them because there will be charges even if they existed. Nothing beats the comfort of your phone, nobody wants to stand in a queue.

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