MCX and Financial Technologies


(Rajesh) #167

This operating leverage is double edge sword. If volumes drop, profits will plunge.
Disclaimer -Exited after remaining long term investor for 3 years. Watching the business to see effects of BSE.


(Meet Jagani) #168

25 Crores per quarter is excluding other income which gives yearly 100 crores. For Quarter ended March 2018 from the data available in the public domain my estimate is Revenue excluding other Income at 75 Crores. Expense near about 50 crores which gives PBT from core operation at 25 crores.


(Meet Jagani) #169

hahaha… Growth is just knocking the door…Take it with a pinch of salt… Check the volatility in major base metals, energy as well as bullion.


(Meet Jagani) #170

Agreed it is an assumption but seeing the nature of business and the way market has opened and still new reforms coming after SEBI FMC merger… It is just about who eats the pie…I would say who eats the new pie served in the dish… But existining pie remains with MCX as it is…I am ready to stay here for years assuming current pie remains in the dish… I may go wrong but probability are minute seeing the practicality of these businesses driven by volume as well as considering MCX’s pact with various international partners… Again as said I may go wrong as there are inherent risk in all businesses… Assumptions are part of an investor… An investor invests because he assumes something to happen with a level of risk he can bear and with amount of patience he can hold…Just my views :slight_smile:


(Devdutt Rathod) #172

Hi I agree that the current price make it a good deal for the business that you’re getting. But probably we shouldn’t assume the expenses to be capped since they pay a fixed amount of ₹1.5Cr/annum and 10.3% of revenue to the software provider.


(Kumar Saurabh) #173

The spike in ADT numbers from Jan’18 after a long pause finally leading to some good results.

https://www.bseindia.com/corporates/anndet_new.aspx?newsid=78804b96-2a63-4e2a-90c0-75ac35d8d12e

Double digit revenue growth and non linear profit growth. Good part coming from other expense reduction. Had highlighted ADT volume spike sonetime in March above

Also, as in long term , concerned about competition ramping up post Sept once BSE jumps into arena, spoke to a senior person who has worked across exchanges. To my surprise, apart from marketplace network effect advantage, it does not seems to have any additional advantage. My thought was MCX might have process advantages in terms of warehouse mgmt etc but seems proven wrong. So, it would be interesting n critical to keep a watch how other exchanges intensify the game. Disc : Recently invested in both MCX n BSE with transactions done in last 3 months


(sorabh) #174

@suru27
Thanks for your comments above. When yoy say warehouse mgnt is not a moat, can you please explain on that? Is it more due to third party providers and they can provide to anyone?

Also, how hard do you think it will be have customers switch to new exchange provided there are enough financial incentives?


(Vivek) #175

Conference call transcript


(HR) #176

Thank you. MCX got approvals for more launching more options today and they will start charging in the second half of the year. Interesting times ahead. Looking forward to competition from NSE and BSE.


(dinesh86) #177

(Divyanshu Taneja) #178

It is to be noted that before the announcement of universal exchange it was falling like a bad stock but after the news it is trying to recover and trying to go up , i think mr market thinks that due to increased competition mcx could get higher pe if it can sustain its market share.


(Kumar Saurabh) #179

After a lull of almost 6-7 months, volumes (commodity trading volumes ) r again up yoy from Jan’18. All data available on company site . The risks highlighted still remain


(dinesh86) #180

Are the volumes being shown for both futures and options? MCX will not charge for Options till September 2018.


(not_an_expert) #181

invested


(Kumar Saurabh) #182

Very encouraging numbers for April and May. So, hoping continuation of good results in Q1’FY19. Below is commodity wise ADT YoY growth rates. Overall 34% growth , almost double than Q4FY18

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(AmitContrarian) #183

in 2013 at the peak of commodity bull cycle they did 300 Cr of profits . i.e 15-16x peak earnings its trading today.
Where is the value ? Better buy commodity instead if one thinks commodity bull market has started.
That’s what i guess these numbers shows , people are buying into commodity.


(dinesh86) #184

Since CDSL is promoted by BSE, are MCX and BSE being merged??


(ramana1777) #185

Certainly this is a strange development in the back drop of NSE and MCX merger talks. Incase NSE/MCX talks materializes, then competitors are also partners(NSE will have a stake in BSE entity).


(Ramasamy Babu) #186

(dinesh86) #187

Getting market share from MCX might not be that easy??