Bitcoin/Cryptocurrencies – Digital Gold or Tulip Bulb?

Glad to see some accepting Bitcoin as a currency.

To most looking at it for the first time, Bitcoin looks very much like a Ponzi. It is just a database maintaining records of coins going from one address to another, from which you can calculate which addresses have unspent coins. People pay “real” money to get coins to their address. They do so mainly because they believe someone else will pay them even more for these coins in future.

Even Blockchain is just a glorified database which is highly inefficient. Large amount of electricity and specialised hardware is required just to earn the right to update this database. And because there are thousands of copies of this database across the globe, each needs to be updated, which makes it unscalable. That is why bitcoin can only make almost 3500 transactions per 10 minutes. Even a MacBook using spreadsheet can maintain a faster database of same size.

Why are people still putting more “real” money into this Ponzi, and calling it investment?

Let us consider the most ancient Ponzi scheme - gold. It is just a chunk of metal, even accounting for its industrial and ornamental uses, isn’t it valued a bit too highly for centuries? One may point to its use as trading medium, it solves the problem of people having to barter, therefore its value. But so many other metals and materials like glass beads could have done the same job, and they have been tried in history, why then did the world converged to gold standard? That’s because, gold is more than a trading medium, it is a saving technology, and its scarcity and stock to flow ratio in relation to other materials, made it a winner for the purpose of saving.

Capital accumulation in necessary prerequisite for human civilisation. Consider a primitive group of human food gatherers. If everybody is engaged daily in search of food, there will be no development, and humankind will continue to remain in same state. For progress, some individuals must engage in tasks like tool development and farming. But this task may take many days or months, and society must take care of their food requirement during their unproductive phase. Socialism offers a centralised solution to this problem, capitalism offers a decentralised solution by allowing people to “save money”. As people developed better tools and technology, they were able to produce more, which naturally increased the purchasing power of savers as the amount of gold was roughly the same. In this way, gold became a successful, people saved in the hope of being able to consume better in future. Their saving resulted in capital accumulation which financed development of better technology and increased production, which in turn, allowed savers to purchase more, just as they expected. Providing this social scalability is what made gold so valuable.

One obvious problem with gold was to protect it against theft. Banks offered a solution, and people were able to transfer the ownership of gold I bank vaults using paper checks, which were much more convenient. Eventually that led to the creating of fiat currency, which was a standardised check to ownership of gold in bank’s vault. Unfortunately, in 1930s, government disallowed their citizens from encashing these checks back into gold, and in 1973, even other countries could no longer encash them. From then on, we are on pure paper standard. Obviously, that destroyed the possible use of currency itself as a saving medium, and people were forced to look for alternatives, like land, equities, etc. Not everyone can be a investment expert, and this has led to a lot of malinvestments and bubbles.

Bitcoin on the other hand is completely digital. Therefore it can easily be protected against theft by use of physical force. The ownership of bitcoin can be verified and transferred without involving any third party. That means, we wouldn’t go the fiat currencies way with bitcoin, no authority can hijack the bitcoin network and start printing more bitcoins. It is not digital gold, but completely different saving technology, which solves the same social scalability problem for which gold was used. Hopefully it will make saving simple once again.

As to whether index investing will offer better return than sound money, is questionable, even if we only consider the data from the paper gold period. (Dow to gold 100 years chart)

3 Likes

Your chart says index investment has performed 5 to 40 times better than holding gold
Holding gold also has a huge cost
Bitcoin also has a holding cost, servers or your wallet needs to be constantly protected against coders. Eventually if you’re 60 year old, it’s a matter of time, you will not be as good maintaining the technology to stay safe
Besides a few manjot qualities of currency are essential for it to be a form of currency for a long time.

  1. it should not be easily duplicable. What happened with pearls and salt once mankind found a way to make large quantities at lower cost. Scientists have tried for centuries making gold and labs can make gold but it’s radioactive
    2 it should be accepted as a currency by majority of humankind. What happened after Iraq fell or Germany fell in ww2, was most people lost trust in the currency
    3 the producers of currency should maintain it as a form of exchange of goods. When goods are 100 times more than currency in circulation than the currency loses value, like Zimbabwe

If the currency cannot have even one of the above qualities for a long period, it will cease to be a currency
This is very much common knowledge

People who trade in crypto currencies, want the rest of the world to believe its an investment not a currency

1 Like

I don’t know what the base year was, but if we take base as 1915, when this ratio was 5, it grew to at most 8 times, peaking in the 2000 equity bubble. But that was preceded by two crashes to below the level of 1915, and it seems to be crashing again.

Agreed. We should keep in mind that the above chart tracks paper gold (gold futures, bonds, etc) which is very easy to hold but it also has increased gold supply significantly. And as we are discovering in the current crises, banks are unable to deliver the physical gold against their trades and the physical gold is selling at a significant premium to paper gold. One cannot help but worry that paper gold will go the same way as fiat. Bitcoin does not have this problem.

No, your wallet need not be connected to internet always. Connection is needed only to spend the coins, but not to check the balance. You can make your old smartphone into a cold storage by keeping your wallet there disconnected from the internet. Infact you can even spend your coins without connecting your old phone with internet. You can do so by creating and signing the spending transaction on your old phone, transfer that to your computer or network connected phone using usb, and broadcast it. Since your wallet is never connected to internet, it cannot be hacked to steal your private keys. What if the wallet malfunctions or the phone is destroyed/lost? All open source wallet use a standardised recovery format. You just need to make sure you have written down your recovery key on a piece of paper safely. You can use the recovery key to restore your balance on any other open-source wallet app on the new phone. Its very easy and cheap to keep your bitcoins safe and secure.

You have made some good points. I believe Bitcoin meets these requirements. First, its inflation policy is fixed, and any change to it will require majority of Bitcoin network nodes to agree. Second, Bitcoin is not like fiat whose value is dependent on its government’s stability. Gold never lost its value just because some government went down. Same should apply for Bitcoin. Third, ability to trade bitcoin directly for goods/services is work in progress though. That will take time.

I do feel that the rest of the crypto currencies are scam. I may be wrong. And I don’t want to convince the rest of world to invest in Bitcoin (yet!). So let me list a few risks,
Bitcoin pose a huge threat to government money and capital controls. So many governments will naturally act to ban/confiscate it. Since it is difficult to spend bitcoin directly, you need exchanges to convert bitcoin to fiat. But these exchanges can be hacked or banned making you unable to use your bitcoins.

1 Like

It doesn’t meet any of the 3 qualities
It can be easily duplicated as is observed in the market. Not bitcoin per se but there are now zillions of Crypto coins and all are traded !

No one trusts it because of the point above. The people who do don’t understand the third point

While countries can print and cause inflation, dependence on one currency will have opposite effect. Bitcoins solution was to split it and there have been again major issues between moderators on this splitting.
Secondly capital economies use interest rate and money supply during economic downturn to revive the economy. There is no easy alternate solution. Large scale Bitcoin adoption might temporarily increase bitcoin value, over long run, if it ever turns to be the sole money economies won’t survive 10 years as there is a crash roughly 8-10 years

Your explanation of using 2 iPhones is complicated. As you get old you lose a lot of skills. It’s the way of the world, typically why people are hesitant to employ older people :slight_smile:
But maybe if lot of people do accept bitcoin, you will need to the on top of IT for another 10 years

Lobo Sir,

Although there are a lot of worthy arguments put forth by both sides but I would like to simplify the bull side argument a little.

First and foremost, Bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies are large scale techno-social experiment. Bitcoin wasn’t the first attempt at an E-currency. And surely hasn’t been the last as you pointed out there are other coins. But the inventor/inventors have thought out and created a cryptographic algorithm which not only takes care of security but also looks at providing a democratic way of rewarding the servers who maintain the network and at the same time making it impossible to breach the network.

The experiment is as follows - “Can we use technology to create a trust-less system of transferring value from Person 1 to Person 2, something which can be easily quantifiable, durable, portable, divisible,stable, acceptable and cant be easily replicated”

A truly decentralized cryptocurrency such as bitcoin passes on most of the features in the first glance. But it is still fighting,solving and growing on several fronts to prove its legitimacy.

It is more akin to the Internet in the 80s and early 90s. The internet in its early days was INTRANET. Basically all the Large corporates (IBM etc) wanted the concept of internet to be one of a network they would control over a certain area and they could choose which content to publish or not or which users to service or not. As you would look at Internet today, you can easily understand that any type of intranet other than the INTERNET( WWW on a TCP/IP protocol) would have failed miserably. Why? Because the Internet was democratizing transfer of data, it was doing it not for the best of the best but for the common man. They could not stop this revolution despite their best efforts. Purely because people could freely build on the internet only when they were sure of the fact that they would not be censured. Censoring of content and putting in control mechanism only happened once the hockey stick adoption had already happened and regulation was put in place to secure the privacy and safety of average Joe’s like you and me.

To put that in perspective - replace 80s Tech monopolies with countries, and Intranet to Fiat currencies and A stable cryptocurrency akin to the Internet.

Coming to the point where you say as a currency it would need to show one of the 3 points

What we need to keep in mind is that Bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies are still experimenting, evolving changing. Bitcoin and blockchain tech today is more like the Internet during the early 90s- Difficult to access, use, build, explain etc etc…
case in point https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UlJku_CSyNg

People who believe in Bitcoin choose to do so because they feel that eventually one or maybe all of following reasons will drive adoption :

  1. There will be enough people around the world who own bitcoin because they feel its more secure place than a bank who can freeze their funds at any time
  2. There will be enough people who would like to own bitcoin as a hedge against their central banks screwing their FIAT currencies. eg Argentina, Cuba, Greece, Spain, Italy, SA, Zimbabwe, Vanezuela etc etc People here were not given the luxury of changing their money to USD even, there were cash controls in place. (Imagine having all your funds in Yes Bank for months on end or a PMC bank vs Most your funds in a bank but a 5,10% holding in BTC.
  3. That It will easily be the preferred mode of digital payments by the gen next.- Would be seen more in countries where Gen Next is deeply tech savvy - Japan, South Korea, USA, Canada etc.

It is easy to discredit any of these points because the tech and adoption is still at a nascent stage but believe it or not, the number of wallets are increasing at a very good rate and the developer engagement is high.

I believe the Bitcoin has to Journey from a Speculative asset → Store of Value → Viable Money option. There will be regulatory hurdles, tech challenges, Most of the price increment would have to happen moving from first stage leading into third, maybe the moving into the last stage may take years or decades! Moreover keep in mind that Bitcoin doesn’t have to be the Global M1 money replacement. Even a 5- 10% share of global M1 will be more than enough to prove global adoption and liquidity.

I am personally glad that finally old systems of monetary supply are challenged. It is high time that transactions are democratized and personalized. It will happen with our without central banks, with or without Bitcoin(although Bitcoin right now seems the best option out there). The rabbit is out of the hat and it is not going back inside.

I sometimes wonder when China finally moves in on trying to dethrone US as the reserve currency, wont US prefer Gold or Bitcoin as a reserve rather than lose the Title to China?

Regards

2 Likes

When we as a society get rid of a system, like currency, or king or government we need to understand what functions it currently serves and if we can build a function to take over

Currency is firstly a medium of exchange
Secondly storage of wealth
Thirdly a method to increase or decrease liquidity in the system by changing interest rates or government purchasing or selling loan notes

The first and the second role can be easily taken over by gold or bitcoin

The third function is what makes a country’s government efficient during recession or strong bull market in a sector like housing

By replacing currency with bitcoin can you suggest how you will do it?
You can’t increase interest rate on bitcoin if everyone uses it

Not to mention the other problems of bitcoin, massive duplication into competitive crypto currencies, all floated on the exchange and tradable against fiat money

At one point when salt was rare, it served as a medium of exchange

Before Europeans sailed out to capture spice trade, sailors were paid in pepper corns and cost of nutmeg per gram was equal to cost of gold per gram

What happened to these form of money ?

They became easier to replicate much like bitcoin is. I understand you can’t increase number of bitcoins but just answer one question, can you stop other coins from coming into the market

Indian pepper, Malaysian pepper, Indonesian pepper, Sri Lankan pepper, any pepper will do, the result of mass production brings down the price of the thing that’s traded at the “cost of making it”

Cost of making new bitcoin is expensive as they are getting rarely to discover but not the cost of alternate cryptocurrencies

Bitcoin as a currency fails at so many fundamental levels

1 Like

The world ran on gold standard prior to 1930. The government had no control over gold supply like they have over fiat. Yet the economies ran just fine for centuries without any central bank controlling interest rates and money supply.

That is bullshit. Manipulating money supply only redistributes wealth, allowing government to expropriate wealth. I don’t see how that makes any economy efficient. Mises has made strong logical arguments in his work “Theory of Money and Credit” in 1912 showing the same.

Some quotes from the same:

With respect to the supply of money, Mises returned to the basic Ricardian insight that an increase in the supply of money never confers any general benefit upon society.

A world of constant money supply would be one similar to that of much of the 18th and 19th centuries, marked by the successful flowering of the Industrial Revolution with increased capital investment increasing the supply of goods and with falling prices for those goods as well as falling costs of production.19 As demonstrated by the notable Austrian theory of the business cycle, even an inflationary expansion of money and credit merely offsetting the secular fall in prices will create the distortions of production that bring about the business cycle.

In the face of overwhelming arguments against inflationary expansion of the money supply (including those not detailed here), what accounts for the persistence of the inflationary trend in the modern world? The answer lies in the way new money is injected into the economy, in the fact that it is most definitely not done according to the Angel Gabriel model. For example, a government does not multiply the money supply tenfold across the board by issuing a decree adding another zero to every monetary number in the economy. In any economy not on a 100 percent commodity standard, the money supply is under the control of government, the central bank, and the controlled banking system. These institutions issue new money and inject it into the economy by spending it or lending it out to favored debtors. As we have seen, an increase in the supply of money benefits the early receivers, that is, the government, the banks, and their favored debtors or contractors, at the expense of the relatively fixed income groups that receive the new money late or not at all and suffer a loss in real income and wealth. In short, monetary inflation is a method by which the government, its controlled banking system, and favored political groups are able to partially expropriate the wealth of other groups in society.

That is a feature, not bug.
Bitcoin is a peaceful protest of people who want to opt-out of the existing monetary system. It was intended as such right from its creation, as hinted by the message in its genesis block created by Satoshi Nakamoto.

The Times 03/Jan/2009 Chancellor on brink of second bailout for banks

Excellent point. What is the cost of making fiat?
Many kings in the past have tried diluting the gold content in the “official” coins. It always resulted in ruining their economies and ending their government within one or two generations.
We are only retrying same experiment, gradually reducing the gold backing of fiat since 1930. But it has never been done by all governments around globe simultaneously. Maybe, this time is different.

The security of Bitcoin network is strong, but it is not infallible. It can be hacked by investing enough computing resources. One example is 51% attack which depends upon taking control of 51% of hashing power of the network. (Some research paper also suggest ingenious methods of attacks just by taking over 33% hashing power in control). The greater the hashing power of the network, costlier the attack, and hence more security for the network. If you intend to save significant amount of your savings in any cryptocurrency, you will most likely choose the most secure coin. Especially if the difference is enormous. For example, the hashing power Bitcoin cash (BCH), the second most popular fork of Bitcoin (the first being the BTC chain itself), is around 2% of BTC’s hashing power. We see the network effects play here- The bigger investors/savers will prefer the most secure coin which drives up its price relative to other coins, which attracts more miners to invest for greater returns increasing the hashing power further and making the coin more secure, the greater security then help retain/attract savers completing the feedback loop.

Here is a tutorial. Sentinel is a watch only wallet. It can only watch transactions and balance on your addresses. It cannot spend as it does not have private keys of those addresses. So it poses no risk to keep the Sentinel online. The Samourai wallet kept on the offline phone in the tutorial has the private keys, it is a full fledged wallet, therefore it can sign the transaction.

Yes but bitcoin is not gold standard
As of today the actively traded crypto currencies are Bitcoin, ether, ripple, and there is also a crypto10 index fund

Last time I checked there was only one form of gold

As demand rises more crypto currencies will come on market and suck more money
Wealth is not created by creation of gold. I don’t want to run a thread on how economies work but money is only a medium not an investment. Even gold hoarding is bad for the economy as kotak founder said, we should probably make it illegal to hold in India as a lot of savings is transferee from the country into gold miners

How much gold does an average person from developed countries keep their savings in. I said savings not investments as it’s a currency. An investment is something that will generate more income like a plant or a road or a company share with a factory that produces

Nada

The reason for the fall is not diluting the gold content. Diluting the good content is a symptom not the disease.
The disease was that either governments spent more than what they had or people stopped saving as much as they did in the past. Both these caused more consumption than production. To find the consumption governments printed more money.
Now we can argue if their currency was gold without dilution, back when computers were not invented, their government wouldn’t have been able to spend more than consumption, because they didn’t have gold. However there are 2 cases when introduction of gold caused the same effect. One was when Spanish colonists bought back to Spain a lot of gold from Peru and other South American countries. The excess gold introduced had the same effect of excess printing of money.
The second was when mansa musa distributed a lot of gold on his way to his prilgrimage to Mecca

With crypto the effects are even worse as electricity that could produce something valuable is now being diverted to create money whereas we know money is a medium of exchange and not something that must be created. For you money is a product or you have made it into one. It’s a store and the lowest cost item with fool proof duplication prevention is the best use of society’s resources and by that extension each ones resources

Also please if you want to discuss with me please rephrase what you understand instead of cutting and pasting bits from here and there which in itself are great articles but taking them in bits misses the value of them
Please don’t ask me to read anything
If you can please post what you understand on your words as some of your cut paste didn’t make any sense to what we are discussing.

I understand what the Austrian theory is and how it is different from the Keynesian theory but that point is not relevant to what you are discussing although by cutting and pasting few points here and there you have confused yourself and me into accepting bitcoin is Austrian theory of money

I understand where you are coming from. The typical Keynesian argument supported by most mainstream economists goes like this -

In a recession people hoard cash/gold, lowering consumer demand and private investments. This makes businesses fail from lack of revenue/investments and creates unemployment. To revive market’s animal spirits we must reduce interest rates, ban gold hoarding, and increase money supply. By ‘forcing’ people to spend, the consumer demand and private investments are restored and the recession is fixed.

The argument suffers from Broken Window Fallacy.
We see the consumers hoarding cash/gold but are now buying products/equities. We see the industry they have benefited. What remains unseen are the industries and people who would have benefited if those savers continued to hoard. How?

Let’s say I was holding gold. The government banned gold so I am now forced to sell my gold. I didn’t need the car, but cash will only lose its purchasing power with time, so I may as well buy the car now rather than waiting until it is actually needed. Producing that car creates additional demand for steel/aluminium and technical labour. But if I (and many like me) had not purchased the car, the demand would have been lower causing the price of steel and technical labour to fall. Now lets consider the ventilator production. There are many people who have a more urgent need of better healthcare but cannot afford it. If the cost of ventilator production falls due to cheaper steel/aluminium and technical labour, the healthcare costs will fall, and some of those people may be able to afford it now. If more people survive diseases, economy will also be better off as there will be a larger labour pool. On the other hand, car companies will need to become leaner or improve their production technology to restore their profitability. So in the future, when I actually need a car, I may be able to purchase a better version using the same gold.

That is what saving does: it allows people to postpone their non-urgent needs, which in turn allows economic resources reallocation towards industries serving more urgent needs. The urgency is determined through the generation of appropriate price signals.
But to save we need something which guarantees my purchasing power will be preserved (if not improved). We destroyed that when we moved away from gold standard, forcing people to rely on complex portfolio of equities, bonds, fixed deposits, and gold just to preserve their purchasing power.

.Well it is impossible to validate economic theories through controlled experiments keeping rest of the conditions same. Each economic event is a confluence of a number of development and cannot be reproduced, allowing us to build a consistent interpretation of past events while justifying opposite theories. Just like how some people are able to describe 2008 recession as failure of capitalism, while other describe it as a result of unrestrained supply of government money. It does not matter what the conventional view is, or what nobel prize winning economists or top investors believe. The only metric that matters is how market responds to my positions, and if I am wrong, market will teach me the right lesson. That said, it is always useful to review past market developments and check whether it is consistent with our theory.

1 Like

Electricity is just a fraction of economic resources, mainly in the form of specialised ASIC hardware, being allocated for bitcoin mining. But it is not wasteful, those resources are allocated to secure the Bitcoin network. If an attacker does an 51% attack, they will need to sacrifice atleast half that amount of economic resources (Sacrifice because their ASICs will become useless after the attack).

The digital fiat system and gold also have economic costs to secure and process transactions. These systems need trusted third party like bank or government which creates its own risks. If these systems are indeed better than Bitcoin and have lower economic costs, Bitcoin will eventually die as the mining costs will become unsustainable.

Here is an interesting summary of current market developments and what it could mean for Bitcoin and Gold.

I am tired of repeating my points
Please read again
Bitcoin is being diluted by ether coin, ripple coin and 10 other coins sold as an index fund

You fail to understand my central point that money is a medium of storage.

The dilution of fiat money is not limited to paper money. It can and has also happened with gold before on atleast 2 occasions and because bitcoin is being diluted by introduction of parallel crypto currencies we have the same problem that you wish to get rid of and do not have any benefits that paper money provides

I am not going to post anymore on this thread
One parting suggest is to please not get your education on Twitter

Thank you. Twitter is an excellent content discovery platform; it’s not a substitute to indepth study from good books.

Fair enough. Yes, gold also gets diluted, but the cost of production for gold will always be higher than paper; gold is a harder currency than fiat.
Bitcoin’s hardness is highly speculative at this point. I don’t want to hold a strong opinion on that matter.

Lobo ji there are several metals yet they each serve a different purpose, some as ormanent/store of value, others in microchips , alloys which are used in space travel. Not each metal is gold yet they are traded in the markets, there is even a comex basket where you hold various metals and commodities all at once… Does it make all those commodities store of value?

I think what you are not understanding is that not every cryptocurrency is/was/will be launched just to become a global currency and store of value. Just reading white papers of top 10 cryptocurrencies will show you how each token is different from each other in terms of function and vision.

Ethereum’s goal is to enable smart contracts in day to day life (several tokens built ethereum blockchain are being adopted and have potential to cater to a very wide market) and is optimised as such.
Ripple wants to be the preferred settler of global forex settlements,
IOTA and few others want to be preferred blockchain for IOT industry which needs very high throughput at low or zero cost.
There are some looking to privatize transactions and heck there is also token which draws on value of commissions a cryptocurrency exchange is making, which reflects in the value of the token.
The whole space is full of experiments, 99.99% of experiments will fail, we don’t even know who will win/survive or dominate.

Comparing Bitcoin to other tokens with different goals is just a bias and imperfect understanding of what various blockchains are doing or trying to achieve.

Also,
One critical point where my view totally digress from yours is “MONEY IS A MEDIUM OF STORAGE” - its actually not. Money is a medium of exchange. That medium of exchange has been challenged and changed by kings govt and dictators overnight. Its is just something that you can use to felicitate an exchange of goods and services. Just because we can deposit a digital entry in a bank and call it Cash doesn’t mean we are preserving wealth… No cash either digital or physical beats real inflation in their respective countries. If govts inflate it away, im screwed, if there is a bank run, im screwed, if there is a net banking fraud, phishing attack…guess what, screwed.

Currently various medium of storage are - Fixed Income( which is debt), Physical Gold, Real Estate, Direct Equity investments.
As you will notice, none of these assets are without the ‘long tail’ risk of going to zero.
Fixed Income - Govt itself may default on Gsecs
Physcial Gold - Difficult to carry if you are forced to driven out of state/country etc
RE - Liquidity issue + seizing etc etc
Direct Equity - biz goes bust.

But still they work better as medium of storage since they give multiple sort of protection against fragility of the current medium of exchange.

Bitcoin is now a part of the argument since it also exhibits some of the resilience as shown by the assets - It cant be duplicated, It cant be inflated away, not easy to seize and valid in many countries around the world.

Also, multiple/parallel cryptocurrencies doesn’t mean dilution of bitcoin. As I explained above also, no two cryptos are the same and we are still too early to call a winner in this space let alone declare a winner over FIAT. People just don’t want to own a currency, some buy it for the tech prospect, some for privacy, some as store of value. Let them thrive, grow and prove their usecase. They are not threats to each other, they are threats to large corporates and conglomorates and governments who concentrated their skills and knowledge by cornering the best talents and letting them build things which give them even more power. Lets see an open source project win one over the big boys, and let the contributors to such open source projects win big.

1 Like

lol lol
Last time I checked the periodic table had a 118 elements and that was all
Cryptocurrencies have crossed infinite number. Look at this listing - I am on page 22 :slight_smile:

There will be one for measuring strength of farts even

Rediculous we are discussing this
Besides its money, medium of exchange
Shares/property/livestock/business - stores of value
Gold as a storage of value should be criminalised it goes against all forms of swaraj and nationalism

On a thread named Bitcoin - Digital gold or Tulip bulb what do you want to discuss?

Its more ridiculous that people are unable to understand a simple concept that everything in this world derives its value from future potential of solving a problem and proving that future potential. And there is a market for people who want to have private transactions with no middlemen controlling the flow of transaction. If there is no understanding of this first point then no other argument which follows from my side will make sense to you anyways.

If you thing owning gold should be criminalized, maybe you should live in Argentina, Costa Rica and other places where Federal banks inflated away peoples savings.
Not everyone owns a property and buys shares. Lets see how many essentials can the people trade there for a cow.

1 Like