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Sandur Manganese

Seems like this is guy. Any relation to promoters?

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Founders of SMIORE:

Y.R. Ghorpade (Yeshwantrao Hindurao Ghorpade) (1908 -1996) - Ruler of Sandur
M.Y. Ghorpade (Murarirao Yeshwantrao Ghorpade) (1931 - 2011) - Eldest son of
Y.R. Ghorpade - Ruler of Sandur


Ajaisinh Murarao Raje Ghorpade - Eldest son of M. Y. Ghorpade - Now Ruler of Sandur
Bahirji Ajaysinh Raje Ghorpade - Eldest son of Ajaisinh Murarao Raje Ghorpade - became the new MD of SMIORE now

He is the next eligible ruler from the royal family. Inducted on Board in 2015 at the age of 20 to gain experience.



Sandur Manganese has created a Upflag Pattern Breakout


Wholetime director, Rajnish Kumar Singh will resign from the company in November.

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New to this forum. Request someone to please explain why the Company has mined very little post 2011 until 2016. Is it a demand thing ?

Ratings Reaffirmed:


supreme court ban on mining

Can you pls elaborate more on supreme court ban on mining

Outstanding Q2:

Disc: Invested


I have some querries regarding the CAPEX shown by company and the investment @basumallick @ayushmit sir could you please help me to understand

by plain reading it seems that company is having massive capex from 80 crs in 2009 to 2020 yet when one expand the + in screener I found that they have only double the capacity… and is juggling the investment in to capex Thus getting money from one pocket and putting in other Pocket …

Second : if one study over the years of the ration “Working Capital/Sales” i found that it is on increasing trend so my interpretation is that company require high working capital . Does high WC means losing opportunity cost ??
several mines were closed in 2011 due to illegal mining issues and eeven after supreme court gave node to reopen still it takes lots of time to make them operational There is no surety that it won’t pop out again what kind or safety one can take against such regulatory actions by state govts or environmental activist ?

Hi @yourraj - my answers to your queries:

  1. I haven’t been able to understand your question well - how can one juggle?
    Mining is not capital intensive especially the historical mines. The capex now which is underway is towards asset heavy side of the business. The returns here would be lower than the mining business but atleast the company will grow once they commercialize.
  2. The WC was pretty low till 2019. It increased in 2020 as the company would have bought coal/coke etc for their new capex which is large and would require capital.
  3. I think the risk of sudden ban/closure has drastically reduced now as the mine and industry has been validated by SC itself. If we are thinking otherwise then it means law has no meaning in our Country?

Thanks for your reply I have another concern as the health hazards in Sandur Taluk are at its peak due to mining with many people being subjected to deadly health conditions on a daily basis. I come across a web link
Isn’t the organisation must be win win for all stack holders in long terms for suppliers / workers / clients …
sharing for VP brief of Leases environmental clearances :

Hi @yourraj - thanks for sharing this, I was not aware neither have I come across more of such articles. Mining is a very very old industry and there would be some positives and negatives. Sandur seems to be much better off when compared to others in terms of compliances and taking care of employees (if you go through annual report, website etc, you will notice that they spend good amount on employee welfare) yet there may be some adverse cases. Going forward, co seems to be investing more into new technology and compliances while they aim to double their production capacity.

The link you have shared above is old. There are several new documents available on EC website which are useful reads.


Link to Sandur presentation and transcript details discussed in VP virtual meetup on Oct 30, 2020.


SMIORE has already started operating Coke Oven.
For those who are not from the industry, Coke Oven produces waste gas as a by-product which can be used to produce power. Such power’s cost is substantially low around < 1 Rs/ kwh.
Now even though the Coke Oven is not shown as commissioned (i.e. the CAPEX is still shown as CWIP), the benefit of lower power cost can be seen from turn-around of Ferro Alloys business. It has started churning out profits - which is irrespective to what happens to iron ore price.
Hence expect it to continue to add to profits.

Further, as and when the company recognizes Coke sales, there will be substantial jump in topline and bottom-line. Again this is irrespective of what happens to iron ore price in the market.

Given this background, SMIORE is looking very interesting.

Discl. Invested and still adding to my position.

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I was in Kirloskar Ferrous (KFIL) concall last week to understand more about their coke-oven operations. Sharing a few insights about the same-

  1. KFIL has spent 370cr for installing a 2L Tonne coke oven plant in phase 1 and will install another 2L Tonne (phase 2) by FY22 end at the cost of 240cr. Total cost for the coke oven plant including the Waste Heat Recovery to generate power is 600-610cr.
  2. The phase 1 expansion is running at full capacity and they are generating 22MW power, which in their opinion is the highest in the industry as they are using the latest tech. In fact, they mentioned that they will be generating more power than required in the Koppal plant and will have to look for ways in which they could use the surplus power in their Solapur plant because selling to the grid is not very remunerative.
  3. Their total coke requirement is 4L Tonne p.a. and they plan to source the remaining 2L Tonne from a “partner” on a conversion basis, where KFIL will source the coking coal and will pay a fixed conversion cost to the “partner”.
  4. They expect the pay back period to be within 3-5 years depending on the prices of coking coal, which yields a very high IRR.

Now, in reference to Sandur, they are also setting-up a 4L Tonne coke oven with WHR at lower cost than KFIL; the cost for Sandur is around 400-450cr. This process of converting heat into power seems to be working for KFIL and there is no reason to believe that it won’t work for Sandur. KFIL is already seeing benefits, their power cost has come down meaningfully. In fact, Sandur has already tied up with a company for 50% of their coke off-take on a fixed cost conversion basis. This company could very well be KFIL, since both have operations in Karnataka and the quantity matches. This will add a lot of value to their ferro alloy operations which was loss-making and will allow them to increase their production as well. Apart from the power benefit, sales from coke should itself generate 10-13% EBITDA as indicated by the management.

Another interesting development that I came across was that Kalyani Steels is also setting up a 2L tonne coke-oven plant along with the WHR at the cost of 211cr that will be ready by Sept’22.

Disc: Invested at lower levels.


Sandur FY21 Q3 was not as per my expectations.
I was hoping Ferro alloys division to show profits by virtue of lower power cost due to Coke oven - however, it has slipped into losses as earlier.
Will try to connect with management to understand what happened.

However, I would still be hopeful for FY21 Q4 - as Coke oven sales impact will be visible in this quarter.

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Commercial operations at the 0.4. MTPA Coke Oven Plant and Ferro Alloy Furnaces have commenced w.e.f. 18 January 2021. So, the power cost benefit will be added to the numbers starting Q4 results is my assumption.

Sub: Announcement under Regulation 30 of the Securities and Exchange Board of India
(Listing Obligations and Disclosure Requirements) Regulations, 2015- Commencement of
Commercial Production for Phase I of 1 MTPA Iron and Steel Project
Attention is drawn to our earlier announcement dated 20 March 2018 informing about Bhoomi
Puja and Foundation Stone Laying Ceremony for Phase I of 1 MTPA Iron and Steel Project entailing
setting up 0.4 MTPA Coke Oven Plant, Waste Heat Recovery Boilers and 0.4 MTPA Pig Iron Blast
Furnace at Vysanakere, Hosapete on 19 March 2018.
Trials from Batteries 1 & 2 of the Coke Oven Plant commenced in January 2020, new 24 MVA Ferro
Alloy furnace in February 2020, Batteries 3 & 4 of Coke Oven Plant from November 2020 and
refurbished 20 MVA Ferro Alloy Furnace from 18 January 2021. Accordingly, the Lenders’ Engineers
have completed their visit to the Plant yesterday and are expected to issue a certificate to the Bankers regarding completion of the Project and declaration of the commercial operations w.e.f. 18 January 2021. Performance Guarantee Tests will be taken up in due course of time.
In compliance with the provisions of Regulation 30(2) of Securities and Exchange Board of India
(Listing Obligations and Disclosure Requirements) Regulations, 2015, we wish to inform that the
commercial operations at the 0.4. MTPA Coke Oven Plant and Ferro Alloy Furnaces will be
considered to have commenced w.e.f. 18 January 2021.
The Exchange is requested to take the same on record.

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Iron Ore prices holding firm: