Interesting points to look at! demand outlook need to be drilled down further
Company is pretty aggressive in revenue recognition. CFO was 11cr but PAT was 30 cr, i.e. CFO/PAT is 39%. This looks like red flag. CFO/PAT in previous years were 19% and 39%.
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Excerpts from Sona Comstar’s Investor Presentation & Q2 FY24 Concall regarding Magnet-less EV motors:
New developments in Magnet-less EV motors could pose a risk to PML’s neodymium business catering to automobiles, but these developments are nascent. The market for these motors seems very small at the moment and Sona Comstar might have exclusive rights to this technology if it’s commercialized in the future.
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Any mention of environmental pollution from mining of rare earth metals used in permanent magents products and impact there off.
Are they doing something to decrease the pollution. Anyone knows or enquired during concall please update
Press release by the company will clarify why PAT collapsed
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@Rudresh Link isnt working anymore. Do you have a copy of this release by company?
Also, anyone tracking order book for Permanent Magnet?
Key takeaways from Q4FY24 earnings call transcript:
Financial Performance: The company reported a 9% increase in total income for the quarter and full year. However, profitability margins declined due to changes in the product mix, particularly from slower EV customer business.
Smart Meters Market: There is a significant opportunity in the domestic smart meters market, driven by government policy. Out of a target of 250 million meters, only 11 million have been installed. The company is expanding its product offerings in this segment.
Alloys Facility: The new alloys facility commenced in Q4, focusing on products with quicker scale-up and longevity. The company is in advanced talks with prospective customers in oil, gas, and aerospace for commercial supplies.
Quantum Magnetics: Revenue from quantum magnetics is expected to scale in the coming years, starting with components and assemblies made from rare earth magnets, with further backward integration planned.
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@ankitgupta Are you still invested in Permanent Magnets. Do you have any views on the company?
Do you think FY25 numbers will be flattish?
Hi Venkatesh,
I trimmed a bit around 1400 - 1500 (40% of my original position sold) due to valuations but continue to hold the rest. I track the company as I used to do earlier only. I think EV segment has slowed down quite a bit and we arent sure when the revival will come. However, there are other three segments which are expected to do well for them - alloys, domestic meter segment (which they earlier weren’t sure on the scale up) and the JV with Quadrant to manufacture and assemble Neodymium Magnets. Revenue scale up will happen with all these segments despite EV slowdown. However, margins might be lower than what they used to do. These three segments provide them a good opportunity to scale up considerably.
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Very relevant question asked by a participant in latest investor call. reply is not very convincing.I feel smart meter was a huge tailwind not being exploited by the company, Ev trend is also in danger of being missed out. What is forum’s view?
Disc: small tracking position in co, thinking of whether to exit or stay on.
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Any idea about the sudden change of direction of the stock price? Searching news channels, but no info.
Disc: Invested
On 25 Dec 25 - Company has acquired an additional parcel of land measuring 127.20 Gunthas. This land is situated in the village of Juchandra, under the jurisdiction of the Vasai-Virar Municipal Corporation, District Palghar. Any update from Ananta Capital meeting on 10 th Jan what are their plans ?
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Since china curbs exporting rare minerals like neodiym magnets. The permanents magnets rallied 30% last week. But it is unclear whether Permanent Magnets will be able to obatain the special import license from china sucessfully in future. Any scuttlebutt or concrete info will be appriciated.
Please note, when it comes to rare earth magnets china is holding 80-90% supply dominance globally. There is no alternative country to import from.
P.S. Holding since Dec 24
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Looking at its old performance , this rally is just sentiment based. as company was not able to fully capitalized on smart meter and ev theme yet
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The REPM scheme in one sentence: India is moving from importing finished magnets (high cost) to refining rare earth oxides (the actual hard part) to integrated manufacturing. This is the “mine-to-magnet” value chain. Only a handful of countries can claim this.
A slow burn, but a massive flex. This isn’t just a subsidy; it’s a national security play. Huge. The race is ON.
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Yes. Move away from import is planned. But am not sure which part of the Mine-to-magnet chain is Permanent magnets currently focussed or moving in near future..
Any info would help
Regards
Disc: Invested, small part of pf
@axsubram
Based on how the REPM scheme is designed, I think India’s near-term focus under REPM appears to be on establishing industrial-scale integrated magnet manufacturing, i.e., the final legs of the value chain (alloying → magnet-making), while also enabling the upstream conversion side (oxide → metals → alloys).
This means India wants to go beyond “mining & oxide/refining” (which may already be partly functional), to build domestic capacity for finished rare-earth permanent magnets (NdFeB and/or SmCo), which is the most value-added, strategic link (used in EV motors, wind turbines, defence, electronics).
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A couple of years back I had written a piece dissecting the business model of Permanent Magnets. Since then, the stock is down around 40% and for good reason.
Revenue has been flat YoY. Margins have compressed significantly. The company’s export business has taken a hit due to Trump’s tariffs.
Declining operating margins YoY
So why should we be spending our time [and energy] reading about this company? Well, because it might be sitting on a BIG opportunity when it comes to rare earth magnets.
You see, rare earth magnets are essential components in manufacturing everyday objects like phones, electric cars & missiles. And there is one country which has a monopoly on these rare magnets — yep, you guessed it right. China.
China’s dominance in rare earth mining (60%), refining (91%) and magnet manufacturing (94%) is staggering!
This gives them leverage against the entire world. And they’re using it. Last year China placed export restrictions on rare earth magnets as a response to Trump’s tariffs. The world’s supply chains were in disarray, and the tremors were felt in India too.
The Government of India didn’t sit idle — and on 26th November 2025 — launched a PLI scheme with an outlay of INR 7,280 Cr to promote domestic manufacturing of rare earth permanent magnets (REPMs) in India.
This is a tiny drop in the ocean of what’s required to combat China’s dominance in this space — but a step in the right direction.
So, where does Permanent Magnets feature in all of this?
The Rare Earth Magnet Opportunity
On 28th August 2025, Permanent Magnets entered into an agreement with Lorentic Pte Ltd to set up a JV for manufacturing, marketing & distribution of neodymium magnets.
- The proposed plan is to set up capacity to manufacture 5,000 tons of these magnets by FY30, with an expected revenue of INR 3,700 Cr upto FY30 with estimated capex of INR 550-750 Cr split between Permanent Magnets & Lorentic. Total EBITDA expected of INR 550 Cr upto FY30.
Even if we assume that the company gets INR 1,850 Cr upto FY30 from this business (since it is a JV and the revenue would be split 50/50) — this is around 2.5x of the company’s current market capitalization. This opportunity, has the potential to change the trajectory of the company.
And the company’s current revenue run rate is around INR 200 Cr. So, we’re talking about exponential revenue growth + we’re looking at a decent EBITDA margin of 15%.
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The company plans to source rare earth metals locally + import if required. The idea is to use domestic supply chain in a phased manner. Currently it is in pilot phase where the company is absorbing technology and setting up equipment.
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In Phase 1, capex of INR 50-100 Cr will be required to set up capacity of 500 tons. Equipment orders have been placed. The next phase (Phase 2) would be block cutting onwards to magnet production. Expecting Go-Live by 2027 — date unconfirmed as of now, but I am guessing towards the end of 2027.
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Applications — these neodymium magnets have multiple applications in automotives, consumer electronics, mobile phones, windmills, motors etc. The management is targeting applications in the premium segment with high quality products, where it could compete with China on pricing.
My take? I think the FY27 target is quite aggressive, given that they are still in Phase 1 setting up equipments. Plus, they would be reliant on Chinese imports for rare earth minerals until India can gradually build up it’s own supply chain.
I am not very clear on how the revenues will be booked. The management is saying they will generate INR 3,700 Cr in revenues upto FY30. That’s cumulative revenue. This will be split 50/50, so for Permanent Magnets that’s 1,850 Cr in cumulative revenues upto FY30? And what is the forecast after FY30? What is the confidence of achieving this number? The management was not very explicit on this topic.
The company doesn’t have enough money on the books, so it will need to raise money (via equity / debt) to fund this. There are many variables at play. But, this is something to track as investors — since, Permanent Magnets, might emerge a winner in the rare earth magnets space in India, and if it does, the stock could rapidly zoom UP from here.
Current Business
The company makes various products like magnetic sensors, current sensors, current transformers, magnetic assemblies & alloys — which find applications in electricity meters, automobiles etc.
Product profile of the company.
Smart Meters - transition from shunts to relays
One of the things that I like about the management, is that they’re not shy to adapt to the needs of the market. The company began its journey in 1960, with manufacturing magnets.
As the world moved from mechanical meters to smart meters, the company pivoted to make products to cater to smart meters. The company shifted from making traditional magnets to shunts. It added a new segment in 2021 (automotives & EVs) which has steadily grown over the last 5Ys and now commands 25-30% of total revenues.
Now again, the company is transitioning from shunts to relays. The management observed that in smart meters, customers were buying assemblies of relays which included shunts and therefore the company decided to get into the relays business — to forward integrate themselves.
The company also manufactures current transformers (CT) which are used in smart electricity meters. These CTs are made from nano-crystalline and amorphous cores. Instead of importing these cores, the company has backward integrated to make these cores in-house. CTs are used along with relays in smart meters.
Value addition of shunts vs relays.
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The company has signed an agreement with REL — a UK based company — using their designs to manufacture relays. A plant is being setup + trials are ongoing with customers. The company will also need to take some certifications.
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Capacity buildout — setting up a 5 million relay units facility, which is expected to be operational by March’26. A capacity of 5 million units, will give revenues of INR 50 Cr at peak capacity.
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Expecting trial orders for relays in Q4FY26, since customers do a lot of testing before on-boarding a product (endurance testing, EOL testing etc). Ongoing discussions with various customers, and the company will be a second supplier — since the first supplier is a Chinese vendor. However, customers want to de-risk their supply chains, hence they are approaching the company.
EV / Automotives
In this business, the company makes customised products for EU customers + Off the shelf (OTS) standardized products.
The company has launched a range of standard current sensors, which are used in automotive applications — some of which are being supplied to EV 2-wheelers. It has started approaching some bigger automotive players in India as well — however, no names were mentioned in the con-call.
The company is seeing demand of current sensors in applications other than the automotive sector — like UPS, Industrial applications etc. Expecting growth in non-automotive applications in the coming years.
Alloys
This is a relatively new segment that the company has entered. It is working with 4-5 customers, with good visibility + repeat orders. Alloys are used in multiple applications like Oil & Gas, powder metallurgy etc.
New furnace for alloy facility is in progress and is expected to be installed by December’25 [needs to be verified once the Q3 earnings release is published]
Application wise revenue #s
New product development
Working on manufacturing of stator rotor for one automotive company. Stator rotor is part of a motor — with application in coolant pumps. The management believes the market is quite big for this business, and currently this product is in pilot stage.
Management Guidance
FY26 — expecting revenue growth of 15% for FY26, closing the year at a topline of INR 220-230 Cr. Revenue for H1FY26 is around INR 102 Cr, so in the second half of the year the company needs to generate INR 110-120 Cr to achieve it’s target.
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Expecting additional sales in H2 from alloys — since alloys are running at full capacity and with the new furnace being set-up, additional capacity will be available in Q4.
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EBITDA guidance in the range of 16-18% for FY26.
FY27 — expecting revenue growth of 20-30%, which is not a HUGE jump when your revenue base is as low as INR 200 Cr per year. Growth in FY27 depends on the uptake in the alloys & relays business.
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Revenue guidance of INR 40-70 Cr from alloys in FY27 + INR 20-50 Cr from the relays business. Balance to come from smart meters, automotives & other segments.
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Revenues from rare earth magnets (from the JV with Lorentic) has not been factored in these estimates, which means the management is not expecting any significant revenue in FY27 from this segment.
Conclusion
The stock is trading at a P/E of 60 times, which has inched up in the last one year despite a 30% correction in the stock price. This is because margins have compressed. And that is partly due to a decrease in exports in its automotive business - which is a high margins business. Trump tariff’s put a spanner in the works.
P/E movement of Permanent Magnets in the past 1Y
However the rare earth magnet opportunity gets me excited about this stock. The world wants to reduce it’s dependency of rare earth magnets on China.
If Permanent Magnets can build the capability to produce these neodymium magnets — which are used in mobile phones, EVs, MRI scanners among other things — I see a lot of potential in the company.
And for this reason, I believe this company should be in your watchlist.
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