Q4FY21 concall Notes
- (EBITDA margins): RM sourcing faced logistical issues due to Covid-19 lockdowns. Plus a couple of one-offs with respect to income tax and NGT settlement.
- (Why Propofol does not face more competition): China has never established itself as a credible source for complex molecules. Propofol is complex to make. Requires a very high level of compliance to manufacture it regularly.
- (Unit 3 status): 2 APIs commercialized from Unit 3. Unit 3 is where we will create more API capacity for future business. Unit 1 & 2 will see minimal investment (debottleneck). Unit 3 will see volume increases. Unit 3 will have similar asset turns to unit 1 and unit 2.
- (Manufacturing and employee costs): in Unit 3, We are recruiting many employees and there is a period of up-fronting of manufacturing costs as well which is showing up. Cost structure is the same.
- (Pricing): GDS pricing is referenced to competition. CMS are long-term contracts and pricing is flexible, we can negotiate prices by passing through certain costs. In CMS, when we are primary source, margins are higher, for secondary source, they are a bit lower.
- (Peptides): Most peptides are part of CMS PF. 12 out of 78 projects are peptides in CMS. Peptides capabilities are in Unit 1. Will further augment peptide manufacturing in this year. 2 CMS peptides are close to commercialization. 2 peptides under development in GDS. Will create further peptides capacities in Unit 3 when needed.
- (supply chain): We are making it robust. Don’t want to stop sourcing from China. Want multiple suppliers. Shorten the supply chain.
- (CMS molecules commercialization): We can expect some good part of commercialization to happen in 2-3 years time. We cannot provide more exact timelines. These molecules are late stage molecules and are in various stages including validation stages.
- (R&D spends): 5%-7% of our total spends are on R&D. For CMS it is charged to the customer.
- (CMS): Better to look at it in an annualized basis and YoY not QoQ or quarterly.
- (margins guidance): We expect business mix to continue improving and improve margins. Also expect more operating leverage to kick in.
- (Capex guidance): As of right now, we see similar kind of capex requirements in FY22. Will evaluate upcoming projects and evaluate the ROI and then make more concrete decisions regarding capex.
My Thoughts
I am quite happy with the Q4FY21 results. Key takeaways for me:
- The normalized operational EBITDA margins were 15.4%. The one-off gains (due to the sale of real estate) get balanced out by one-off losses due to settlement with income tax and NGT (both ~15cr). Ex of the one-offs. The EBITDA margins dropped a bit due to the change in business mix (much lower CMS contribution in this quarter).
- CMS pipeline is looking very robust. Molecules under development have gone up from 12 to 14 in just 1 quarter. Many of these are peptide molecules. When reasonable commercialization happens in the next 2-3 years, the CMS revenues would increase substantially.
- Some of the manufacturing and employee costs are front-loaded due to unit 3. This is also great because it implies better operating leverage kicking in in FY22 as unit 3 gets commercialized.
Edit:
Edited first point to point out correct ebitda margins based on multiple subsequent posts by people. Thanks for the corrections.
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