Diamines and Chemicals Ltd - Navigating for a long-term growth

[vikas_sinha]

Anybody having access to show the latest price data for EDA? This is one year ago already, taken from twitter: https://twitter.com/ValueEducator/status/1553328425376821248

Maybe much more useful would be the data for Piperazine, which it seems is 70% of total output of this company (DACL). Piperazine citrate or hexahydrate seems to be the relevant chemical.

Just wondering why peer such as alkyl and balaji results are down while DACL is flying high?

Disc: invested

[satish_kumar1]

[vikas_sinha]

Diamines looks to have wild quarterly variation, my accounts is not good looks like they consumed costly inventory and purchased raw material stocks for future use

Interestingly, for a company which has waited more than a decade to implement growth plans while entire sector was booming, they are now trading in tomatoes it appears, a new reporting segment appears now

The employees added for growth are adding to expenses, so both good and bad. This is going to be a longish wait here.

Disc: still invested, no change

[ankitgupta]

I had attended the AGM of Diamines and Chemicals Ltd held physically at their Vadodara plant on June 21, 2023. Some notes taken during the AGM are given below. Apologies for not uploading it earlier.

• We crossed 100 crore revenue for the first time in our history. The growth in revenue and expansion in margins was largely led by realisation.
• We have put up a new pilot plant of Rs.15 crore. We will work on new products and new processes.
• We started trading business to get some returns on our surplus cash.
• Our FY24 target is to sustaining our market share in ethylene amines, strengthening our relationship with customers and suppliers.
• The high prices of ethylene amines are expected to continue in FY24 as well.
• Our focus will remain on ethylene amines and its derivatives in long term.
• Our focus is on differentiation – developing different technologies, pilot plant of this size is also a differentiation – it will help us in creating new products and enhance our capabilities. Once our new products develop on pilot scale, we will go for dedicated plants once we see enough scope for growth. We work on complex chemistry. Wherever we are sure that technology is niche, we will work on those products. We are working on some chemistries like Ketonization, Ethylation, Hydrogenation etc. We are working on wider product range now than earlier.
• We have spent 15 crore on our pilot plant. So you can understand the scale of expansion we are targeting over medium to long term.
• On a lighter note, we can say that we have a target of Rs.1000 crore revenue over the next few years but let us see. Our mid term plan is to reach Rs.200 – 300 crore revenue.
• Lithium amines is a 20 – 30 tonne annual market. There is only one player of these product globally currently but it’s a small market. These is not used in batteries but is a fine chemical. The product is under development and we are in process of stablisation. We might become its second producer in the world.
• We use CPA route in our Vadodara plant and are working on EDC route. If its successful, we will scale it up in Dahej plant. EDC route can be a game changer for us. We are on the path of addressing some of the issues in it. EDC route is our focus now. CPA comes from EDC. It is backward integration for CPA.
• Understanding the process is key for manufacturing the kind of products we make. It is not only chemistry but even the process which is difficult.
• Dahej plant has an area of 15 acres.
• Piperezine is manufactured in house and which all derivatives we will put up plant for expansion will be decided afterwards.
• Volumes declined over the past 2 years on account of higher RM prices and we didn’t want to do higher volumes of final product. We have also improved our process.
• Our R&D team has 20 people currently.
• We are largely in ethylene and piperazine derivatives.
• JV with KLJ: We bring to the table certain process understanding and manufacturing acumen and they also bring their experience to the table. New plant will be set up soon in this – still under drawing stage currently.
• Selection criteria for new products:

1. Understanding of chemistry
2. Complementary to our existing products and synergy of raw materials
3. Differentiation
4. Innovation/niche/low competition products
   • For brownfield capex, we are ideally looking for payback of one year (seems it was in lighter tone).
   • What changed 2 – 3 years back that we have become aggressive now? Change in management with Alkyl Amines selling out its stake to the existing promoters (who also held stake in the company) has given more control to current promoters. Now they can choose right projects, products. We are now free to choose any product. We still have a long way to go. We have added people across the divisions – R&D, operations, top management etc as we have expansion plans going on in the company. We still have a long way to go.
   • Trading will be done on opportunistic basis and utilize some of the surplus cash in the company. Association with KLJ will help us.
   • We make Ethylene Amines and Piperizine. Piperizine contributes 80% to our sales currently.
   • The prices of our products have fallen in current year. On a long term basis, assume 30% EBITDA margins as sustainable ones.
   On the sidelines
   • We have 4 – 5 products which we are pretty confident of commercializing.
   • We don’t make the products which Balaji Amines makes. Those are pretty competitive.

(Disclosure: Holding 1 share to attend its AGM)

[01_Sandeep_Ahir]

I recently came across this company and wants to research about company. By reading your mssg it looks that company is pretty confident. I want to know about companys managment and product portfolio and all about them. Do you have any documents?.plzz share

[Rahul_Singh_Dhek]

I have been following this company for over 6 months now.

Recently (this month), the promoter group has been buying almost everyday.
They have directly bought from market during 7 trading days this month.

In the attached image, one can find the buying transactions.

I have one question, why are they buying everyday, instead they could have bought one single day.

One likeable reason could be, very less liquidity of shares that trade on a daily basis.

There was a rise in daily volumes today.
On normal days the daily volume would be around 15k
Today it touched 150k with 40% delivery.

I have taken a tracking position today at 550 level and plan to buy at bulk around 480 levels.

Anyone else here actively following this co.? Any insights will be highly appreciable.
Thanks.

[ankit_tripathi]

What happened here where did the land go ?

[Shashwat_Desai]

its given to subsidy - check consolidated statements