Yogesh's blue chip 10 Portfolio

(A. King) #245

When you use 200 for 200 DMA - does google use work days or calendar days?

My understanding is it simply subtracts 200 days. Will it make sense to adjust 200 to 240-250 days range?

(PavanM) #246

Please have a look at the formula; it obtains values of the past 320 odd days and selects 200 of those.

=average(query(sort(GoogleFinance(ā€œNSE:ā€ & $A3,ā€œcloseā€, H$2-320, H$2),1,0),ā€œselect Col2 limit 200ā€))

(sarthak kumar) #247

Dear Yogesh Ji,

If i want to invest in pharma sector funds now, what could be some indicators to get a good entry point (which might show that pharma is near or has undergone a turn-around).


(Vshah198510) #248

Hi Yogesh,
The SME results are out for Worth peripherals and Shanti Overseas.
I would appreciate if you can throw some light on these results
There is a one time deferred tax liability of approx 5.90 cr in case of worth.
Results look good but this tax has skewed the results.
Can u elaborate on this one?


(A. King) #249

Even though not related to Indian market, you may find this article useful -

(pradip) #250

Hi Yogesh,

Needed a quick suggestion -
From where can I download for Banks and NBFCs (for free :slight_smile: ). Apparently screener does not have lot of relevant metrics (NIM, Cost of Funds, Yield etc.)

(ramanhp) #251

Any views on VASA and One Point One Solutions Ltd. Available almost at the IPO offer price.

(phreak) #252

Indicator is now at 20 for Smallcaps.

Just 20% of stocks above 200 DMA and 10 of the 20 stocks above 200 DMA are barely above and could go under in just a day or two if the carnage continues getting it down to 10%. The worst exodus might be over though but got to be watchful.

(Akash Padhiyar) #253

I liked the way you are screening the stocksā€¦but in your portfolio I have missed the stocks like piramal enterprises which has given 30% cagr for several years and still compoundingā€¦
My question is have you found any red flag in Piramal or something is missing in your screening method or have you just missed it?
Not posting details of Piramal ent as thread is already available on VP

(Yogesh Sane) #254

This is just a diffusion indicator used to identify turning points in market cycle. I deploy cash to buy stocks in my watchlist but look at the Nifty100 index because it is diversified and consists of most liquid stocks so it is appropriate for such an indicator.

To a good extent I look at the numbers and ignore the noise.I think it will be difficult for a large bank to fudge the numbers for so long especially when it is being scrutinized by multiple auditors including RBI. If bank is disbursing loans at a higher rate every year, it must be able to do so because it is able to recover the old ones right? RBI also conducted not just one but 2 asset quality reviews followed by risk based assessment and Yes has reported divergences. I will take it as a worst case scenario and it does not look so bad.

If you can find such indicator please let me know as well. :slight_smile: When investors begin to ignore the bad news and drive stocks higher even on a hint of good news, thatā€™s an indicator for me that all bad news is priced in although it can be a false start initially.

RBI has some data (http://dbie.rbi.org.in/DBIE/dbie.rbi?site=statistics) but otherwise, you will have to compile this information yourself for individual banks.

No idea on VASA but @kaustubhkale may be able to help on this one. Havenā€™t tracked One Point One since IPO. My IPO notes are here.

Good call. But indicator for smallcaps is not so reliable as the Nifty100 indicator. Even that can trigger a false buy early in a bear market and a false sell early in a bull market. So I will be very selective in buying at this time.

I did miss Piramal few years ago as my screener is not designed for companies that are undergoing some restructuring. This is more suitable to stable and growing companies that are not changing tracks too many times. Havenā€™t spent lot of time looking at Piramal though so no red flags.

(Pavas) #255

I tried to backtest this indicator on CNX500. Worked well for last few years. However Pre 2005ā€¦most of the time it showed 90%+ figures but market continued to perform. Similarly in 2008-2009 it didnt give any meaningful indication and same case with 2014 upswing. I think it works in medium to low volatility environment. Would like to know your findings for the same.

(Yogesh Sane) #256

Did you use historical members of CNX500 for your analysis? Using current members for calculating indicator more than few years ago will lead to incorrect results as many of the current members would not be part of the index few years ago.

you are right about your observations. This indicator gives early buy signal at the beginning of a bear market and an early sell signal at the beginning of a bull market. Such signals should be ignored. As a rule of thumb, bull markets last anywhere from 2 to 5 years and at the end market is trading well above previous high. Similarly, a bear market lasts anywhere from 8 to 18 months and generally results in losses in excess of 20%. So until we get there, I ignore this indicator or use with caution.

Here is a sheet covering historical values going back to 2003 of the indicator using historical members of Nifty 100 Index.

Nifty100 Tech Indicator.xls (415 KB)

Chart below shows the indicator levels for last 5 years.

Source: Authorā€™s calculations using data from NSE.

Source: NSE.

As the charts show, indicator was well above 80 in 2014 and 2017 and market continue to rise. However, in 2013 and 2016, indicator correctly called out the bottom.

In early 2015, indicator started to move lower while market was creeping higher. This is typical in end of bull market as investor begin to focus on index heavyweights (which are highly liquid and easy to get out) while rest of pack begins to correct. I think something similar is happening now. In 2017, indicator was hovering around the high watermark but only occasionally crossed it, no wonder market always felt overvalued throughout the year. Market was in the overbought zone just before demonetization so reaction was swift.

statistically correct way to judge the effectiveness of the indicator will be to calculate forward returns realized when indicator was flashing a warning sign. By this measure, investors would have realized average 1 Yr forward returns of 40% when indicator was trading below 20% and a 1 yr forward return of 18% when indicator was trading above 80%. This shows that the indicator is more effective in calling bottoms than tops.

Since markets generally move higher in the long term, this indicator is more useful to spot end of bear market than end of bull markets. you are also right about volatility. In highly volatile markets, more and more stocks are likely to trade far above or below the 200 DMA so you can use 250 or 300 DMA for calculating the indicator or use 10-90 as the thresholds of turning points. Similarly, in low volatility markets you can use 30-70 as the thresholds. I donā€™t use all these adjustments as I use this indicator just to get a sense where market is in the bull-bear cycle and not put my asset allocation on auto-pilot.

(kaustubhkale) #257

@ramanhp yes I do track Vasa. I like the company and am invested.

(rajsuccess) #258

Hi @Yogesh_s, appreciate your views on current market conditionsā€¦Are you accumulating mid/small caps or SMEs?


(Yogesh Sane) #259

Small & Midcaps are correcting because liquidity is drying up for following reasons

  • US Fed is raising interest rates and shrinking balance sheet size. Other major central banks like ECB and BOJ are following or will soon follow US Fed. Taper is no longer a tantrum. FII money is leaving emerging markets. Carry trade is finally winding up. This money will not come back.

  • RBI is raising interest rates because rupee has started falling. This makes FDs more attractive wrt to equities. Some capital is being reallocated to FDs.

  • Many mutual funds were mis-sold to first time equity investors who do not understand equity risk. They are now getting a taste of that and some of them are saying FD sahi hai.

  • LTCG makes equities less attractive wrt other asset classes so some reallocation is happening or likely to happen. Since expected returns on equities have dropped due to tax, prices have to drop to bring expected return back up to match required return. FIIs donā€™t have this issue as they invest through tax havens so large caps are less impacted by LTCG.

  • With the benefit of hindsight, investors have realized that in 2017, small and mid caps became frothy and so far only froth has cleared as many stocks are trading at mid 2017 levels. Hangover from 2017 rally is gone, investors are sober now and are just waking up. Some of them are hoarding cash causing liquidity to dry up.

  • RBI is bringing many banks under PCR. This is causing credit squeeze and that is hurting many leveraged small caps. This would result in their borrowing costs to go up.

  • Demon and GST have had a temporary but significant impact on some sectors.

  • Domestic investors tend to mix politics with investing so upcoming elections is causing investors to adapt wait and watch approach. Markets are only concerned about a majority govt or a coalition government irrespective of the party.

Some positives I see

  • Earnings growth is still strong.

  • GDP growth is strong and picking up.

  • Bank balance sheets are being cleaned up. NCLT cases are reaching a resolution stage.

  • Valuations are back to normal but not cheap.

  • In spite of rate rise by Fed, liquidity is still strong. Fed is not going to cause a bear market to contain inflation expectations. Thatā€™s one lesson they learned from 2008 crisis. Greenpsan put is still on the table. However Fed is more concerned about US markets and a sell off in emerging markets will be least of its worries.

  • Trump tax cuts is offsetting some of the monetary tightening by Fed. US economy and markets will continue to grow for some time. this will limit money flowing out of EMs. On the other hand Fed may end up tightening more than what it would have done otherwise.

  • Expected returns on equities is still better than FDs.

I am accumulating select small and mid caps but only when they are hitting new 2018 low. There will be plenty of opportunity to do so for another 6 months so not in a hurry.

(rajsuccess) #260

@@Yogesh_s Thanks for your detailed reply. I agree with your points - very well narrated.
Which are the select small / mid caps you are keeping a watch for buying? Really appreciate your thoughts processā€¦

(Yogesh Sane) #261

As I explained in my previous post, my watchlist is often huge and in a market like this where price are very volatile, many companies bubble up as their prices drop close to fair value level.

All VP favorites are on my watchlist. Here at VP, we have done a good job at finding strong companies but a poor job of assigning a fair value to them. So whenever their prices prices fall, they automatically become good buy candidates

VP Favorites

Avanti Feeds
PI Industries
Mayur Uniquoters
Can Fin Homes

Few others that I am interested or already own

Nitin Spinners
Caplin Point Lab
NGL Finechem
RKEC Projects
PSP Projects
Beekay Steel
Yes Bank
Indiabulls Housing
Salasar Techno

Following list contains good companies that I can consider if price drop further

Apollo Pipes
ICICI Securities
N R Agarwal Industries
Wim Plast
Maithan Alloys
Advanced Enzyme
CSL Finance
Shalibhadra Finance
Aarti Industries
Multibase India
Bhansali Engineering
Ultramarine & Pigments
Kajaria, Cera
Valiant Organics
Eris Life
Atul Auto
Kothari Fermentation

Few companies are on earnings watch to see if there will be headwinds ahead

Ajanta Pharma
Motilal Oswal Financial Services
APL Apollo Tubes

There are the ones that are off the top of my head. Many are in the attractive-at-lower-price category. I havenā€™t listed many good companies whose price is so high that I donā€™t expect these stocks to even come down to my comfort level. Something that market see that I donā€™t. These will remain good businesses but bad investments for me.

There are 3 broad criteria here:

  1. Large opportunity size
  2. Good Management
  3. Fair valuation.

You can never get all 3 except for a a brief period at the bottom of a bear market. You can wait for that (if you have that much patience, it will be hugely rewarding) or you can compromise on one of the criteria.
I never compromise on management quality because as such determining management quality is difficult so even when we are careful there will be mistakes. Plus, you canā€™t put a price on a bad management and discount it in the price. I sometimes compromise on opportunity size if there is good value. Such picks becomes short term (6 months to 1 year) value plays while price catches up with value. There havenā€™t been many opportunities here since Fed flooded markets with liquidity post 2008 crisis. Since that is ebbing now, there may by some opportunities. Finally, I end up compromising on fair value if I get excited about opportunity size and management quality. Having some extra cash will help here because in a bear market that criteria will be met as well so you can load up.

Disc: Not a SEBI registered adviser. Not a buy sell recommendation. Do you own due diligence.

(bijoy) #262

Thanks Yogesh for sharing your list. Its interesting that you feel valiant is bit expensive.

(saurabhshares) #263

Hi Yogesh,
Thanks for sharing knowledge.
I have a basic question. What are the various sources of inputs and criterias you consider to decide on the management quality?


(rajsuccess) #264

Thanks for your valuable reply! @yogesh_s
Is it possible for you to mention what buying range would you be looking at ā€˜VP favouritesā€™ and other ā€˜good companiesā€™ in your list above? Of course I completely understand this is not a buy recommendation but would really help other looking at these stocks. Each investor has a different approach to value the companiesā€¦