Yes bank

(Abhay Amrite) #794

Thank You. Just Checked Many Sr Employees have also acquired significant number of shares. I think we should not get alarmed.

(AtulD) #796

Screener updates…

Insider trade: Disposal of equity shares worth Rs 961.12 lacs by designated persons

Insider trade: Pledge of equity shares worth Rs 1121.93 lacs by designated persons

Insider trade: Disposal of equity shares worth Rs 2.95 lacs by employees

(AtulD) #798

I got these details from Need to check Moneycontrol or Value Research for further details.

(AKGupta) #799

This might just be the worst time for insiders to be selling stock. Doesn’t inspire a lot of confidence!

On the flip side, Rajat Monga has 57 lac shares (worth 120cr at last price) post sale. If he has some bad insider info, he’d simply resign or something. Wouldn’t be holding press conferences.:sweat_smile:

Also, Rana Kapoor hasn’t sold shares. (Please post a source of your news or don’t contribute to rumour mongering.)

(mrai74) #800

(Sarvesh Gupta) #801

As much as I hate to say I told you so in this case, seeing the erosion of value of holdings of so many fellow boarders, the truth is given what Buffett had said about a) there is never a single cockroach in the kitchen and b) all investing being ultimately a game of assessing upside/downside case vis-a-vis probability distributions - I think Yes Bank was a very bad trade post some of the skeletons came of the cupboards in the form of hidden NPA. Smart money sold with vengeance at higher levels and a lot of shareholders are now left holding the stock, hoping rather than logically concluding that the stock should go up. Too much focus on calculated numbers caused LTCM crisis and in a highly leveraged business, reputation and soft factors are probably worth much more than just numbers is an important lesson from the fall of Yes Bank and DHFL. Not to say they may not be a bad buy at these levels for someone logically and with conviction figuring out what is really going on. But for most others, its just a hope based thing. Hope these lessons remain ingrained in us.

(Cshar) #802

Lot of hatred and mis information presented in above analysis, yes bank was not the only bank which was asked by RBI to correct And show as NPA. Several FII had buy rating on stock till 500 level and downgraded 220 just because rana kapoor resigned. Its not a small bank, NII is in comparison to Kotak, what about Kotak where dilution has nit taken place despite RBI several reminder’s. Why Uday Kotak was not sacked by RBI. Ita growing at 50 percent and some persons dont like this.

(kepee24) #803

If you could provide numbers to back what you’re saying, it will be great. I can see, there is more smoke than fire, and that eventually the fundamentals of the stock will speak in the long term. (~3 years or so).

(pramaan) #804

First post alert:

It is correct that Yes Bank is not the only bank which reported significant divergence in asset classification, however, it led the pack in terms of percentage of divergence as can be seen in the image attached. (source:-

2015-16: As per the RBI assessment, gross NPAs were Rs 4925 crore amounting to 5.01% (loan book - Rs 98,209 crore on March 31, 2016)

2016-17: The bank had reported gross NPAs of Rs 2,019 crore for 2016-17. But as assessed by the RBI, the gross NPAs should have been Rs 8,373 crore for that year which meant that assessed gross NPAs were 5.98% (loan book- Rs 139971 crore as on March 31, 2017)

2017-18: Figures not available yet, however, it has already disclosed exposure of Rs 2621 crore to ILFS.

Disclosure.- 14% of portfolio. After shunning the temptation to buy YB for years, I invested at precisely the worst possible time (just before Rana Kapoor was asked to go). Now my YB holding is down ~25%. Divergence is the reason I was staying away.

@Cshar, As per RBI assessment gross NPAs were 5% and 6%, which meant Yes bank was not in the league of HDFC, Kotak et al. I (and probably others) saw that it was relatively undervalued on P/B basis and jumped in, which was a mistake. No point in blaming others. Acceptance of our own mistakes is crucial in improving stock screening process

Penalties Imposed:

  1. 2017- RBI imposed 6 crore penalty on Yes Bank for its failure to adhere to asset classification norms and its failure to report a cyber security breach of its ATM network.
  2. 2018- Yes Bank had paid Rs 38 crore in fines to the GST department for alleged violations in domestic remittances

Not classifying accounts as NPA, cyber breach, GST violation etc does not inspire confidence. Yes bank has done well over the years, however assigning same multiples as HDFC bank, Kotak Bank to it was clearly a mistake.

(Sarvesh Gupta) #805

If you would have read my post carefully, I have ended with a note on how too much reliance on public numbers without taking into consideration softer issues wreaks havoc with financial bets especially the ones which are leveraged so much. As an ordinary investor - unlike non-financial companies it is almost impossible to know what is really cooking in a bank or NBFC as ever-greening of loans and constant raising of equity and debt funds can keep a lid over the problem unless either the regulator which has the authority to audit the book of accounts finds out or the problem itself becomes too big to manage.

Now I am not stating that all or any of that is true in case of Yes Bank - I am just stating a very simple observation - that given so many red signals (true or not true is not for us to decide) it was probably a better bet to stay away or sell from a risk/return point of view.

Investing is a game of elimination, not a game of selection. Prudent investors that I know and respect had eliminated this stock from their list quite well and early - whether or not it has given good returns and in what time frame is not my observation here. I am just stating that when the confirmed sign of problem was out (too much of NPA divergence as % of existing NPA block) and Yes Bank was still trading fairly richly ex of recent equity fund raise - it ought to have been sold and not held on to given the risk/return matrix. It is the process which matters.

PS - At the same time, I wholeheartedly support the idea for an investor to develop an alternate and contrarian view based on extensive primary research, industry wide contacts and actual differential ground research to come to a conclusion that these problems are temporary now and Yes Bank needs to be bought at these low levels. My problem is that please dont show me ratio analysis of public data for last few years to come to this conclusion - secondary research only will not only be inadequate but might also be misleading.

(AKGupta) #807

While the issues you’ve highlighted are definitely real and there is no point in denying that compliance culture/corporate governance is weak at the bank, my thinking is on 2 points:

  1. Whether the issues are resolvable.
  2. Can Yes Bank as an institution survive this crisis.

And in my opinion, the answer to these questions is “Yes” - with fresh leadership and new capital raise. Now obviously it’s not an easy task and will take determined+honest efforts on the part of new leadership to achieve.

Purely from a rebound perspective - ICICI Bank touched 260/- at the trough from where it rebounded to 350 today once some light was visible at the end of “legacy issues” tunnel. Axis Bank touched a low of 480/- again at a time when everything was going wrong for the bank. Now it’s at 600+.

Just to take a cue from the start up arena - just this morning I was reading about Palantir Tech which has a $20B valuation but it’s entire top mgmt still practices the old scrappy/hippie ways (attending offices in shorts ,behaving untidily in meetings, being spendthrift for eg.). These problems are making it hard for it to become profitable and evolve as an established player in the tech arena and are delaying it’s IPO as well. Several old investors are looking for exits.

But these problems are resolvable and their CEO is determined to become profitable, by cutting down on spurious expenses/lavish parties/offices and change the image of the company from “hippie” to “sophisticated”. (

Similarly Yes Bank’s new leadership will need to change its image of poor compliance/corporate governance if it has to evolve as a large lender, from a mid sized one, as envisioned by it for 2025.

Can the new leadership do that? Yes.
But will they? Only time can answer. I’m willing to give it time coz the price is too attractive to ignore.

Disc. : Views are biased.

(Ranga Kiran) #808

(mrai74) #809

Yes Bank chairman Ashok Chawla resigns over corruption charges

Operation cleanup continues

On one hand its good that all cleanup is happening in one go, but other hand it will certainly hurt investors.

I recall Sikka’s ouster from infy which hurt but gave nice opportunity to long term investors. Do we have another repeat of similar opportunity?


Why it feels like RBI has switched on the halogen in the night and all rats are running helter and skelter. How come these conflicts were not identified earlier? Thanks to the current RBI governor for much desired cleanup in this bank. I am very sure that we have not seen the last of tumbling skeletons.

Another bankrupt promoter but the same story. This bank has become parking lot for these promoters.

(Abhishek Jain) #811

OP Bhatt is not an old timer in Yes Bank but was inducted recently in the search and selection committee of finding new CEO.
Lets not peep too much deep into it IMO
Yes, Chawlas exit is something to be looked into.

(AKGupta) #812

Actually him being a newly inducted member with access to the Board, Kapoors and the entire top leadership, is in a better position to fairly judge what’s happening. Old timers may just be loyal to the promoter group so as to not raise any kind of protest.

Another perspective is he is just on the S&SC which is anyway temporary.

(Abhishek Jain) #814

News says he is being asked to go because of his earlier role as SBI MD and giving loan to Mallya

(Hersh Kapadia) #816

The banks’s selection committee, which Bhatt is part of, has shortlisted about 10 people as possible successors to the CEO. Two of these people have professional links with Bhatt. Hence, Bhatt thought it was fair that he quit his position to avoid any potential conflict of interest.

Source Economic Times page 16 (16th Nov, 2018)

(pramaan) #817

If you believe in the Company (stock) then go ahead and buy it.
Others have pointed out reasons why they are staying away on account of -

  1. Doubts regarding disclosures
  2. They don’t see value in the stock and would rather buy something else in the sector.

You may not agree with them, that is ok. But to brush aside anything you don’t agree with as negative jibber-jabber is (in my opinion) not valuepickr way.

Disclosure- Highest holding in my portfolio. I think below 180, most of the negatives get priced in. That is assuming gross NPAs do not reach double figures and bank is able to recover at 40-50% of the NPAs. Price recovery, in my humble opinion, will take its sweet time.

(Pramod) #819

Yes Bank ltd long term ratings placed on rating watch with negative implications