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RBL BANK - Is it a Good Long Term Story?

(Nityanand) #151

Rajeev Ahuja in an interview on Bloomberg TV on Vision 2020 of RBL Bank

(Abhishek Basumallick) #152

Good research report from ICICI securities …RBL_Bank_IC_Jun18.pdf (210.8 KB)

(khs) #153

FY19 - Q1 Investor presentation:

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(Nityanand) #154

RBL Bank under Tax Evasion

(Deepak Venkatesh) #155


See the BSE update by RBL on this so called ‘issue’.

I am actually not clear what the allegations are as such.

Charges are that they have been evading tax evasion for last 3 years. In the sense they are not paying up GST on the remittance fee charged by Business Correspondent or its agents but paying on the agreed commercial between BC and the bank.

BC regulations say this

Payment of commission/fee

The banks may pay reasonable commission/ fee to the BC, the rate and quantum of which may be reviewed periodically. The agreement with the BC should specifically prohibit them from charging any fee to the customers directly for services rendered by them on behalf of the bank. Commission structure or incentive mechanism should be devised in a manner that mere increase in the number of clients served or the transaction volume does not drive the commission. The remuneration should combine fixed and variable parts dependent, inter-alia, on some indication or measure of customer satisfaction. Some part of the variable remuneration could be deferred or clawed back in case of deficiency of service. The banks (and not BCs) are permitted to collect reasonable service charges from the customers in a transparent manner.

Also banks file this quarterly with RBI so I am unsure how this can be so called gamed. RBL says they haven’t even got a notice and the news channel says there are raids happening!

The model in which DMT (domestic transfer) works is a tad different from what is written by the regulators in my experience. The end pricing can be put at 1% say inclusive of GST but the agent charges more than that always due to the lack of understanding of the remitter. In locations say which are major DMT corridors example Kapashera there such things don’t happen to people who are remitting back home to UP/Bihar because people are more knowledgeable as to pricing. On books the pricing remains as 1% inclusive of taxes. So the BC agent earns from the customer (illegal and I guess untraceable) as well as the commission from the bank (legal). And by the way a BC can be for multiple banks not just one. These agents switch from one bank to another basis commercials and basis their prepaid balances.

I could share details on this but I have lost copyright to my paper on Domestic Remittance Business and how its done in India published 5 years back. But if you want to check it out its here
p.s. I dont earn anything :slight_smile:


(Ghanisht Nagpal) #156

RBL was asked by the exchange for clarification, Now from what I understand GST dept. might have sent demand notice, this will be properly appealed and challenged through process, I dont understand this vendetta media has, that in their infinite wisdom they’ve already labeled RBL as “chor” even without any judgement from competent authority. Even if tax is liable most probably it will be on the basis of some technicality. Doesn’t effect business. Pathetic.

Disc. Holding


Morgan Stanley slashes RBL target in 11 days after raising it; stock tanks 7%

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(Mukesh Verma) #158

RBL Result for Q2 FY19

RBL Bank reports advances growth of 37% in Q2 FY19, Operating profit increase of 48% and Net Profit increase of 36% at ` 204.54 crore on a YoY basis

Key financial highlights:

 Q2 FY19 Net Profit up by 36% to ` 204.54 crore

 Advances (Net) at 45,872.66 and Deposits at 47,790.09 up by 37% and 31% respectively on Year on Year (YoY) basis

 Net Interest Income (NII) up by 41% to ` 592.97 crore

 Other Income up by 38% to ` 333.11 crore

 Core fee income up by 60% to ` 325.24 crore

 NIM improves to 4.08% up from 3.74% in Q2 FY18. Cost to income ratio is at 51.51%

 Gross NPA ratio at 1.40% (1.44% in Q2 FY18); Net NPA ratio at 0.74% (0.78% in Q2 FY18); Provision coverage ratio increases to 61.45%

 Return on Assets at 1.26 % up from 1.19% in Q2 FY18

Concall at 4:30 today.


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(Abhishek Basumallick) #159

Concall Summary (source capital market):

  • The bank has continues maintained strong growth momentum on all parameters in the quarter ended September 2018. The bank has exhibited acceleration in loan growth to 37% and deposits growth to 31% end September 2018 over September 2017. The CASA deposits ratio has further improved to 24.5% end September 2018.
  • The revenue growth of the bank has remained robust rising 40% with NII showing jump of 41%, while core fee income also surged 60% in Q2FY2019.
  • The bank has further improved net interest margin to 4.08% in Q2FY2019 from 4.04% in Q1FY2019, as the bank has improved yield on loans to 10.91% supported by hike in MCLR rates.
  • The cost of deposits has increased marginally to 6.65% in Q2FY2019 from 6.58% in Q1FY2019, while cost of funds increased to 6.44% in Q2FY2019 from 6.36% in Q1FY2019.
  • The bank expects its cost of funds to increase further in Q3FY2019. Still, the bank expects to maintain margins around current level with better loan mix and funding mix as well as increase in MCLR.
  • The cost of saving account deposits rose marginally to 6.3% end September 2018 from 6.2% end June 2018.
  • The bank has witnessed the mark-to-market losses on investment book of Rs 11 crore in Q2FY2019, which have been fully provided in the current quarter itself.
  • The bank has exhibited decline in cost-to-income ratio to 51.5% in Q2FY2019, while it expects cost-to-income ratio at 52% for FY2019 with investment program continuing.
  • The bank has witnessed 19 bps increase in wholesale loan book yield in Q2FY2019, and expects further increase in yield support hike in MCLR.
  • The bank has continued to strong growth momentum in cards business, while more than doubling the cards base to 1.2 million end September 2018 from 0.5 million end September 2017. The company is among the top 5 issuers in terms of spend and cards issuance. The fee income growth for cards business is in line with the growth in the cards issuance.
  • The cards business fee income consist of four components such as interchange fees contributing 40% of overall card fees other three components like annual fees, processing fees and other fees contributes equally to overall cards fee income.
  • The microfinance loan segment has continued to exhibit recovery which has posted strong 55% growth in the loan book. The bank has expanded its microfinance network to 19 States, while none of the state contributes more than 15% of the microfinance loan book.
  • The GNPA of the microfinance loan segment has declined 1.7% end September 2018 from 2.45% end September 2018. As per the bank, demonetization impacted portfolio will be completely written off by year end, helping to reduce microfinance GNPA below 1% by end March 2019.
  • New microfinance portfolio built post Jan 2017 has a strong collection performance, while the 90 day PAR stands at mere 0.33%. About 45-47% of microfinance loan sourcing is contributed by Swadhar.
  • The bank expects to sustain loan growth in current year as well as in FY2020, while its on track to achieve RoA and RoE targets for FY2020.
  • With regards to exposure to NBFCs, the bank does not have concern on its loan exposure to NBFC sector, while 85% of the exposure to the sector is high rated. The exposure to housing finance companies stands at Rs 700 crore.
  • The exposure to IL&FS group stands at Rs 15 crore which is fully cash collateralized. There additional small derivative exposure to IL&FS group.
(Deepak Venkatesh) #160


It was good to go through the results of RBL and also nice to see 2 slides on Credit Cards. I wanted to highlight some comparison of spends on an RBL issued card versus other banks and how the average spend is growing. Users of RBL Credit Card perhaps spend the most on their CCs. The growth rate of spends per card is also the fastest in the industry (atelast amongst the leaders in the card issuing world of private banks including Citibank).

Average number of transactions on an RBL CC is 2.8 per month which is not that superior when compared to the big private banks. This has to do with acceptance points where users pull out their cards, perhaps there are more lucrative offers on big private bank cards which is natural. Also this number will rise once the issuance base rises indirectly speaking.

The beautiful part is that when RBL CC users pull out their card they transact big. Quite big. The quality of spends is only slightly inferior to Amex in India! But I think more interest income would be generated on RBL issued cards than Amex cards. RBL CC spends is growing the fastest and leaving aside Amex it is better than all major CC players in India. This is a commendable job.

Please note that there is a concept of activation rate of cards portfolio which is not a publicly available data. Usually the banks I have listed below would have much superior activations compared to other banks. Citibank and Amex would be the leaders in activation.


(Bhambri3) #161

Do we have the number of active credit cards per bank or the number of CC issued ?

(Deepak Venkatesh) #162


Activation rates are not published for each issuer. Here is the snapshot of the credit card data for August 2018.

Adding another interesting data point wrt to Bajaj Fin Cards

Credit Cards Oustanding
RBL CC as a % of BAJFIN CC Portfolio 4%
RBL BAJFIN CC as a % of RBL CC Portfolio 56%
Growth in RBL BAJFIN CC from Sep18 to Apri19 51%


(himanjim) #163
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(Rupesh Tatiya) #164

I remain interested in RBL bank because it is a simple stock picking story where best private bank in each licensing wave has created immense wealth. But I am not convinced to make a case for investment yet -

  • Since FY14, for RBL bank PBT < Other Income. In screener parlance, this means they are reporting a financial loss i.e. the core banking business by itself is making losses. And this is despite very high NIM of 4%+.
    If I am investing in a lending institutions, I would like the core lending operation to be profitable which validates management and business capability.

For a lot of banks like ICICI, Axis, Financing loss is due to higher provisioning on GNPA. But for RBL bank that is not the case. The financing loss seem to be from higher operating expenses.
When I tried to find the breakdown of operating expenses, a large portion is towards employee expenses - which is okay as operating leverage will kick in business per branch and employee starts going up.
The real puzzle is other operating expenses for which AR18 provides no details.

It would still be okay to have higher other expenses if investments are made in branches or seeding newer higher quality lending businesses like retail housing finance or personal loans etc. but I don’t think that is the case based on conf calls. Also how much of these higher expenses are due to MFI piece also needs to be seen. In summary, far more details are needed on other operating expenses side.

  • The NIM is higher at 4%+ but quality of NIM remains poor i.e. the kind of assets that are leading to these NIMs.

As one can see that yield on retail assets is 5%+ compared to wholesale assets. Out of the retail assets, only the credit card piece which I am comfortable/happy with. LAP + DB piece together forms 12,000Cr+ of retail assets. Although management claims LAP is against cash flows and GNPA ratios have remained low - I am still not comfortable with this. I would be interested to know the average duration of LAP loans and performance has to be looked across entire real estate cycle. There are far better opportunities if one really wanted to own the DB/MFI assets than RBL bank.

Further, 64% if the loan book has tenor of < 1 years which means majority of loans are working capital loans (which is good). But this also results in very limited pricing power for the bank and low yields on corporate side are a result of this.

Further 55%+ MFI book has loan duration of 24 months - which is a little bit on higher side.


So overall, the asset side things are average and a lot needs to be done to consistently generate more RoA, more spreads.

  • One of the things that provides “anti fragility” in financing businesses is - no requirement to raise capital frequently. This allows for business to be shielded from stock performance and ability to dilute at highest possible multiple. This ability is primarily provided by high RoA.
    RBL has never crossed RoA of 1.3% in last many years and RoE remains poor at 10-12% despite high leverage. With such low RoE and high growth rate of 30-35%, capital is depleting quite fast and RBL has to go to markets for dilution. This is why - I think financial companies with RoA of 1% vs. 2% vs. 3% vs. 4% have to be treated very differently.
    That being said, capability to dilute at higher and higher price is also an important factor and Ahujas definitely seem to have this capability.

On positive side, entire networth of Ahujas is in RBL bank, GNPA ratios have remained quite decent with no adverse remarks from RBI so far, ability to scale thing also exists.

So RBL remains an interesting story to track but I am unable to make case for investment yet (despite very good rally in stock price :smiley:).

Disc - No investments as of now. Have bought and sold shares in 6 months as I was studying the stock. No transactions in last 60 days. Not a buy/sell reco.

(Nityanand) #165
(S.A.B) #166
(Ram Pratap Singh) #167

Very Good Profit Growth on back of NIM improvements

(Rupesh Tatiya) #168

Based on Q4 results PPT, conf call, various research reports and newspaper articles, following are some points that I could gather ->

  • The bank opened 36 branches in Q4 FY19 & plans to open 60-80 branches in FY20. The branches would be opened in existing areas so that density of branches go up & break-even reaches faster. There was no clarity on branch strategy prior to Q4 & it is good to see the focus back on branches.
  • The bank has 17L credit cards & around 10L are in partnership with Bajaj Finance (BFL). The bank plans to double the number of cards with BFL to 20L in next 12-18 months. The “exclusive” partnership with Bajaj Finance is for 5 years & expiry date is in ~ Nov 2021. This is a major point of fragility in the entire credit card portfolio of the bank & how this develops need to be tracked.
  • The RoA for credit card portfolio of RBL is between 2 to 2.5% - different number being reported by different sources. The industry RoA is 3-4% as per management & RBL RoA will reach this level over next 12-18 months.
  • HDFC Bank has ~30% of all the credit cards outstanding & this might be one of the major contributor of 2% RoA for HDFC bank.
  • RBL has refrained from issuing lifetime free credit cards as spends see to be lower compared to cards which incur fees. I believe HDFC Bank also follow similar strategy. RBL has also become largest provider of POS terminals in the country. How this helps credit card portfolio further is unclear to me as “acquirer” bank does not earn much in entire chain.
(Kumar Saurabh) #169

Adding some of interview links based on Q4 results:

(Kumar Saurabh) #170

Interesting perspectives from Rajeev Ahuja in discussion with Matrix Partners on fintech