PNB Housing Fin - Fast Growing HFC


(Prasad) #660


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(mrai74) #661

Do we smell something or shall we take it as right trading / investment opportunity for Carlyle?

First they wanted to sell their holdings when PNBHF was trading around 1500, now when the prices have corrected by approx 40%-45%, they wish to acquire more.

What should a retailer read from above actions? Even we wish to buy a stock when it corrects & becomes available at attractive valuation, is Carlyle`s act similar to a retailer? Again do they have long term view in the business or they just wish to but at current rate & sell it out around 1500?


(atul1082) #662

If I have understood it right, the interest to buy has been expressed after declaration of Q3 results which are good. Therefore IMHO , Carlyle finds the valuation attractive with scope for appreciation


(Julian) #663

Carlyle had withdrawn from the stake sale process a few months back, and had then indicated it’s interest to take controlling stake in PNB housing. Hence the present news is not surprising.


(hamed) #664

Any liquidity crunch noticed on ground or in disbursement ?


(dprashant) #665

They have disbursed more money in Q3 ( after the crisis ) compared to Q2.
So not expecting any such issues.


(Ranga Kiran) #666

(Ranga Kiran) #667

(Julian) #668

Doesn’t the news above sound fishy and appear illogical? How can PNB retain management control with 10% stake? Was such a news leaked to prevent the share price from spiking? Or PNB’s negotiation tactic?
Read the latest news below:
Mehta said the bank has received bids from buyers to its stake sale in housing finance subsidiary PNB Housing Finance and is now negotiating

https://m.timesofindia.com/business/india-business/pnb-metlife-ipo-likely-next-fiscal-mehta/articleshow/68082063.cms


(Bhambri3) #669

Another boost for housing sector


(Kumark) #670

How do you all see this for PNBHFL future? considering need to raise capital soon.

Thanks,
Kumar


(Ashwin H) #671

Does anyone know if the stake sale is expected to be completed this FY ?


(Julian) #672

What stake sale are you talking about? Having decided that the prime days of PNB housing are over, the parent goes for stake sale. During the sale process, their partner Carlyle backs out since the market has crashed. Fools tread where Angels fear to enter! With public money to throw away, PNB continues the stake process to give away a company which had grown bigger than the parent in market cap, and finding that PNB housing is still growing by 30% invents an excuse that their subsidiary is their competitor! If your subsidiary is doing the housing finance business better than you, why don’t you acquire more of it and outsource the housing finance job to them? Fortunately there are wiser heads, and market is looking up. This one is the market leader for housing finance, having grown more and faster in the liquidity crisis last quarter where even Gruh Finance and HDFC bit the dust. Tell me, who can beat Sanjaya Gupta in sales growth? This must be the Challenger to HDFC, the king. And I have vested Interest.


(Ashwin H) #673

Still does not answer my simple question :slight_smile:


(Julian) #674

Your question is not simple. PNB is trying to answer your question paper for over a year. Carlyle has already failed the exam.


(mrai74) #675

I don’t see it atleast in current FY as we have less than 2 weeks. Next FY is expected to be promising with general elections & the resultant new (could be same) Govt in office for next 5 yrs (assuming no hung verdict). If it helps the broader indices, we may see more activity from PNB management as the major reason of disruption of recent stake sale process was crash in major indices.


(vaibhav) #676

7-8x book value to now around 1.85x fy19 book value.


(Bhambri3) #677

Not sure how true it is


(Subbu) #678

Everyone says look at p/b for financials. Why are we looking at p/b and not p/e, over a period of time? If two banks have different ROA, say one is 5 and the other is 1, wouldn’t the first one command a significantly high p/b? Shouldn’t we value any business as sum of all the free cash to the eternity (or till the company exists) discounted to today’s value?

Just trying to understand why should not we use p/e. Appreciate any insights.


(vaibhav) #679

Absolutely. Earlier (meaning a couple of years back) we could say that due to expansion expenses, the RoA would be low and correspondingly P/E would be high. But now, things have normalised and the debt to equity ratio is also normal. So you could look at p/e or p/b as per your wish. Looks like Valuations have come off.