Indocount - Textile Stock


(ramakanth) #22

The revenue share from various segments was mentioned in reports that I head read about this company but there was no mention on the B2B and B2C split. This comprehensive report by Motilal Oswal (http://www.researchbytes.com/Indo-Count-Industries-Limited-I0159.htm) clearly mentions that the revenue split is:
81% - bedding
16% - spinning and
3% - consumer goods and that going ahead they are focusing more on the bedding business and its various verticals.
Its major customers are Walmart, JC Penny and Bed,Bath and Beyond. Also its top ten customers contribute to 50% of the revenues (from the Key Risks page of the same report), so I think it is safe to assume that it is currently working as a B2B type company until their direct outlets have a large chunk of the overall business.

@amitnagar If you have data on the B2B and B2C split then please share the same.

Disc: Not invested in this company. Currently tracking it. I request others to kindly mention if they are invested in this company in their replies (at least in the first reply) so that other readers may take that into consideration while reading your posts.


(Amit) #23

Strong Set of Number from Indo Count.

Sales growth : 25%
Profit Growth : 55%
Current valuation : 18.7 P/E Very much reasonable compare to Nifty P/E even

Updates from management :

  1. The Board has approved Expansion of Phase 1 wherein the Capacity will be expanded from 68 million meters to 90 million meters. The total Capital Expenditure will be Rs. 175 Crores. The Phase 1 will be completed within 12 -15 months and the same will be funded through internal accruals and debt.

  2. The Board has also given accent to Explore the Expansion of Phase 2 and the estimated project cost would be in the region of Rs. 300 crores.

  3. Entry in Domestic Business : The Board has approved venturing in Domestic Business to create Home Textile Brands. The Total Capital expenditure over next 2 years is expected to be Rs. 25 Crores. The entry in domestic business will be done through a separate subsidiary of Indo Count.

Desc : Invested.


(hrfacebuk) #24

Concall details:
Day/Date: Wednesday, October 28, 2015 Time: 12:00 noon
Access Numbers
Primary Number: +91 22 3960 0711
Secondary Number: +91 22 6746 8311

Toll Free Number:
USA: 1 866 746 2133
UK: 0 808 101 1573
Singapore: 800 101 2045
Hong Kong: 800 964 448


(Amit) #25

Management Interview on CNBC


(NMB) #26

Hello friends,

Indocount has reported a stellar set of numbers.

Revenues up 21% YoY
Ebitda & EPS up 55% YoY.
Debt down to 217cr from 267cr YoY.
Company is migrating to higher value added products like Bed linens.
Company is focusing on increasing client base.
Global home textiles market is expected to grow 15% over next 2-3 years.
Mission of the company is to become Debt free.
No shares are pledged now.
475cr expansion over 2 phases.
*Phase 1 expansion is 175crs which will be completed by December 2016.
*Phase 2 expansion is approx 300crs which will be completed over 3 years (very nice to know).
Plans to enter domestic industry too.

Conclusion - Very measured approach. Co is in a sweet spot at the moment, lets hold it.

Neil


(GreyCells) #27

Good company with good growth rates. Good Self Sustainable Growth Rate. Debt reduced. Fantastic RoA and impressive RoCE.Valuation wise also at 2.23 levels is not horribly high. 9 times BV.

For Self Sustainable Growth Rate, pls read: http://www.drvijaymalik.com/2015/06/self-sustainable-growth-rate-measure-of.html

Note: FCF and EV values may be wrong as I have done it as per my understanding.


(ishandutta2007) #28

Recently bumped against Indocount and came to know about it’s growth story, after digging a little more I found the entire cotton spinning/textile industry boomed explosively in last year and half. I see nice bit of data here but I had a couple of questions which I find no one explains properly:

  1. What changes in demand or supply or production or pricing brought in such a magical surge that it flew from Rs10 to Rs1000 in less than 2 years.
  2. And more importantly will that kind of growth be sustainable, is there any reason to expect it to be Rs 20k or Rs30 per share in two more years. Maybe we can understand all that if we understand the reason of such an explosive growth and how much untapped growth opportunity is still open.

Disclosure: Hold small position, purchased between Rs800-900 but in a dilemma whether yo hold or exit in 2016


(Divi) #29

Ishandutta…

Its eps has grown from 7.6 to 49 in last 2 and half years,coupled with rerating stock has gone up multi folds…and also it has discounted future earnings due to its expansion…IMHO.


(Akshay Kumar) #30

Hi Divi,

I think, Ishan’s question has got more to do with dynamics on demand and supply side.


(ishandutta2007) #31

Thanks Akshay, exactly on those lines are my questions.
Whatever I have read is that textile is a cyclical industry where India and China swap winning position every four or five years[1][2] but when I tried to validate this theory I couldn’t find out the multi-baggers of the earlier cycle, Vardhaman textiles surged in 2005 & 2006 but Phonex mills surged in 2007 & 2008, at that time Vardhaman textiles was correcting. Secondly I found people try to relate success of Indocount, Welspun India , Lambodhara with that of Page, Kitex , KPR but we all know that Page Industry and the like started their dream journey lot earlier even when cotton spinning industry was in doldrums(i.e. 2011,2012,2013).
Sorry guys at this time I have more questions than answers.
[1]http://rakesh-jhunjhunwala.in/porinju-veliyaths-latest-stock-pick-looks-inspired-by-dolly-khanna-prof-sanjay-bakshi-kenneth-andrade-anil-kumar-goel/
[2]http://www.indiantextilejournal.com/News.aspx?nId=L6TbCr/tpyio3Omofi90Lw==


(Gagandeep Singh Nanda) #32

Good to see a thread on Indo Count. I think the company is uniquely placed as compared to some of the other textile players:

  1. Asset light model; can scale up fast. High return ratios allow scaling up through internal accruals
  2. Not highly labor intensive (like Kitex); so can scale faster
  3. Most of the capacity is being built up in spinning; IndoCount has little exposure to spinning
  4. Good growth expected on the revenue front - investing in building customer relationships, backend capacity addition (whatever capacity they’re adding is getting utilized in 2 years time frame).
  5. Even if cotton prices go up - Indo Count is REASONABLY INSULATED as the hit will be taken mostly by spinners and weavers where overcapacity lies

Went through various research reports and previous available con calls. This might be one stock to watch out for in next few years. Despite strong returns in the past still trading at TTM 20 PE with good topline and bottomline growth prospects.

Disclosure: Invested ~6% of PF, looking to add more.

Gagan


(Amit) #33

Again Strong Set of Numbers by Indo Count

Sales Growth 17% at 502 Cr
PAT Growth 47% at 63Cr
Debt/Eqty Ratio has been reduced from 0.92% to 0.51
Net Debt has been deceased by 13% at 297 Cr

Q3 Presnetation : http://corporates.bseindia.com/xml-data/corpfiling/AttachLive/559E4A86_67BF_4D01_A302_1BA92DC2B143_154607.pdf


(Gurjot) #34

This company has become a 100 bagger in 2.5 years - are you seriously kidding me :neutral_face:

Should be part of a case study in wealth creation!


(Abhishek shah) #35

Hi guyz,

I would like to share a report prepared by me on Indo Count. I have read the AR of last 3 years. Had a talk with the Investor relations officer couple of times and went through the investor presentations and management interviews of last couple of years. I also had a talk with IR to arrange a meeting with the management of the company. She will come back in short time. I have even made some digging in the B2C model of the company. Mgmt is going to float a new subsidiary wherein, Indo count will hold 85% and Mr. Asim Dalal will hold 15% and will be taking care of the marketing activities. Mr. Asim dalal is a good businessmen but has been inquired by SEBI a couple of times for market manipulation and like. His father bhupendra dalal has been convicted by Supreme court in the Harshad mehta scam. Though bhupen dalal’s part was very small in the total scam. His brother was also convicted for manipulations in past. But, on business front, these brothers are just fantastic. They hold brands like Food&Inns, The bombay store (recently sold to Radhakrishna damani) and Elephant brand, etc.

My research report contains all these details. Company is in a very good position and has a lot of growth in its pipeline for next 3 years, after which, it will be B2C.

Lets, dig this company further. I am planning to meet the mgmt in couple of weeks time. This is a good story and lets try to concentrate more.


(Abhishek shah) #36

Indo Count RR updated.docx (38.6 KB)


(Amit) #37

Indo Count Launches 3 New Brands in US Market. The company’s brand includes

  1. Boutique Living
  2. Revival
  3. The Pure Collection

http://corporates.bseindia.com/xml-data/corpfiling/AttachLive/1DD1A543_5727_4BE8_8035_07E94FDD3F3C_125256.pdf


(Amit) #38

Indo Count’s Credit Rating has been revised by CARE as A and A1

http://corporates.bseindia.com/xml-data/corpfiling/AttachLive/6E3C984F_EA2C_4E50_8806_FB4D6E5EEE2D_145348.pdf


(Abhishek shah) #39

Hi,

Some questions in mind -

1). Are the increased OPM sustainable? What led to such a huge increase in margins?
2). Most of the home textiles companies have performed well in past? Is the growth of this company also related to the sector tailwind? Why will it not go back to normal?


(ramakanth) #40

Hi Abhishek,

As per my understanding of the company’s business model, it is based on a asset light model. Even if the cost of the raw material increases, the spinning division will have limited exposure as the entire production is used by Indo Count itself. Also there is no dearth of spinning mills in india, so sourcing of additional raw material for their value add part of business is also (kind of) unexposed.
In addition to the above, they are focusing on creating a B2C brand for themselves through company owned stores. This also provides them with the insights on further product development.
Having said the above positives, I think for any business their margins will start to stagnate at one point and probably decline after that. The question in the Indo Count is, in which stage are they. I feel that there is still some room for growth in this market, then again my views might be biased.
I hope my answer has been of some help to you.

Disc.: I am invested in Indo Count at 800 level and my views might be biased. Please do your own due diligence before investing.


(Abhishek shah) #41

Hi Ramakanth,

I feel that Alok was always a major player in this segment and fall of Alok has a great share in growth of other companies in this sector. Further, ofcourse, Indo count is a great company with asset light model, and will continue to do even better as it goes to B2C model.

I think that the OPM of 21% is not sustainable. This might be because of mix of low commodity prices and better margin products (brands/patented products). The latter is sustainable, but the first reason can anytime reverse the growth in OPM once the commodity trend reverses. But, again as per the latest interview by KK Lalpuria, company is confident of retaining their OPM in range of 20-21%.