Deepak Nitrite

The management answer to what next after phenol a couple of quarters back in concall was forward integration into phenol derivatives.

There they specifically mentioned that they will get into products which are not made by the clients who take phenol from them. They also implied that those products too would be import substitute products.

What they are doing I think is diversifying the product basket over the years. The standalone business has 3 business divisions with a variety or products and now the subsidiary deepak phenolics has phenol and acetone and I think by next year plans would be afoot to get into phenol derivatives.

As @Mridul mentioned, I would be keenly watching the debt levels of this company. Besides this management has shown appetite for dilution at opportune moments. So a qip (though as an investor would not be too welcome) also can be on the cards if environment (stock price) is suitable.

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Hitesh,
They were mentioned in last year AGM , they aspire to consume 40% phenol internally for derivatives in coming years. That will be 200bps more margin than phenol margin. At this point of time I am only lagging on understanding of what future plan is , as I feel current price is more or less factoring in 4000cr revenue for FY21

DPL contributed a revenue of 927 Cr in 5 months operation - 56 Cr PBT (Pro rated to 12 months - 2200 Cr, 134.4 Cr PBT)
Rest of the business 1788 Cr - 212 Cr PBT

Total revenue of 4000 Cr, PBT of 350 Cr is possible in FY19-20 (without factoring in any growth from standalone business).

I wish they share more information on DPL like they shared now in Annual presentation in every quarterly document.

@naruto
Assuming 4000 cr rev, at 15% margins, gives 600 cr ebitda.

Mgmt said int plus depreciation will be ~275 cr for fy20. Means pbt ~325 cr, pat ~ 225 cr.

At 3700 cr mkt cap, this is trading at 15x 1 yr fwd.

As @hitesh2710 bhai said, they will venture into phenol downstream chain. They got some phenol downstream products listed on their website from last year itself…

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Phenol anti dumping duty by indian govt. was supposed to get completed by end of may…anybody with any idea whether it is being extended or not?

Anti dumping duty will be there till 2021 May .

Yesterday mgmt in concal mentioned they are going to do 400cr CapEx on consolidated level ,and mostly through internal accruals and standalone entity CapEx will be green field type. And these CapEx has asset turn of 2x, with this we can see next 800cr coming from this by may be Fy22

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Just a few points on Deepak and the phenol opportunity:

a) India despite having significant mfg capacities of Benzene and Propylene RM for Phenol always had a huge demand/supply gap in phenol/acetone and most of this was made up by imports.

Before Deepak there were only two mfrs making Phenol in India HOCL and SI group with capacity of 80000 tonne.
The question is despite the RM being available easily why did no one exploited the 3000 cr opportunity? From my discussions with few industry folks both Reliance and IOC (suppliers of Benzene/Propylene) had planned for a downstream expansion to manufacture phenol but found it extremely challenging and did not go ahead. A lot of industry folks were of the opinion that if would be very difficult to set up and stabilize the plant for Deepak despite their high regards for the prmoters technical prowess.
Now that the phenol plant has stabilized and is running at around 90% utilization levels some of the key advantages that Deepak has compared to imports:

a) The most obvious advantage for Deepak’s clients is savings on transportation costs.
b) The other key advantage which generally gets ignored is the large savings on working capital. Most of the times bulk sea imports results in around two months of extra working capital and along with that comes forex related hedging and transaction costs.
c) Having a local supplier also reduces issues arising out of spot vs contractual pricing difference significantly.

Deepak Nitrite has always said that they have a very efficient mfg process and the above cost savings makes Deepak a default choice for any local client at the same time offers Deepak a signifcant margin advantage,

Now coming to the short term DSD Acid opportunity: DSD Acid (DASDA) is a key compound used in making OBA where Deepak is forward integrated. OBA of different varieties is widely used to brighten and whiten paper,textile, plastics, detergents , cosmetics and other consumer goods.

The worldwide DSD market is around 64000 TPA out of which around 35000 TPA is mfd by a Chinese company called Tsaker controlling about 53% of worldwide production. Lion Chemicals and \Deepak are the second and third largest players, with the two companies accounted for 13.0% and 12.5% of global market share, respectively. With 12.5% Deepak’s capacity is estimated to be at around 8500 TPA. Deepak has also applied for environment clearance for 5000 TPA additional capacity at its Hyderabad unit. The current spike in DSD acid is due to closure of capacity of Lion Chemicals. The increase in price is almost 3 fold from around 4000$/ton to 12000$/ton. This supply side constrain is going to last until new capacities come up or closed capacities reopen. For newer greenfield capacities to come up it could take around a year or two. Tsaker has been working on newer capacity and that could be ready by the end of current CY. Depending upon how long the opportunity window exists it can contribute significant one time gains.

Although DSD Acid seems exciting for the time being but it should not be added to any kind of earning estimates and should be only considered as an exceptional income which helps in improving balance sheet. The key positives that remain are the rapid ramp up in phenol, the higher growth in speciality (despite DSD Acid in performance doing so well) and the management guidance of continuous margin improvements.

Tsake is a HK listed company.

Discl: Invested, currently opportunistic and the position could change.

EC clearence filing for DSD Expansion:

http://environmentclearance.nic.in/writereaddata/EC/13022019Y3BZKMS3PFR.pdf

Deepak losing out request for Anti-Dumping duty on DSD Acid
http://www.dgtr.gov.in/sites/default/files/NCV_DASDA_(Eng)-15.01.2019_0.pdf

Tsaker Research Report:
http://www.cmbccap.com/home/uploads/research/form_9_c.pdf
http://www.cmbccap.com/home/uploads/research/form_10_c.pdf

Tsaker info:

http://www3.hkexnews.hk/listedco/listconews/SEHK/2019/0423/LTN20190423864.pdf
http://www3.hkexnews.hk/listedco/listconews/SEHK/2019/0415/LTN201904151147.pdf

Phenol Acetone Mfg in India
http://www.indextb.com/documents/Manufacturing-of-Phenol-Acetone.pdf

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Hi,
What exactly the industry folks attributing difficult in setting up phenol plant, which Deepak not seeing?. What exactly Deepak mgmt thought they can able to do which bigger behemoth like reliance can’t do?.

Regards,
Sathish

Nothing specific but more generic in nature:
a) the technology is limited to 3 players worldwide. KBR, ILLA and Honeywell. Deepak got its technology from KBR.
b) The major problem is in plant stabilization and getting the right purity.

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Any royalty Deepak have to provide every year to KBR or just one time payment only Deepak needs to provide?

No royalty, it is a one time payment.

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https://www.newsclick.in/Deepak-Nitrite-Gujarat-Government-Hazardous-Waste

Does not reflect well on the company’s practices.

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Before jumping to conclusion, I have seen this article earlier - how do we authenticate this news ?- what if its a planted news to malign the company or bring share price down and we are ‘unknown’ accomplice in the same? Its an old issue of Dec - why such an obscure website running it NOW after company did so well in latest quarter - a company whose plants are built at such huge cost will sure take care of these issues. We all know that company has very good growth ahead of itself. It might as well be a chance for some big hands to get an entry by running this news.

I am not giving clean chit to management but I really want any one to please get it verified - either from company or from other far more reliable sources to take a more informed decision. That will help all the investor out here to take informed decision.

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As for me - I have written to company IR team will post the response as soon as I get something.

Request other’s to also pitch in.

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Hi,
Below is the reply I got from management regarding above news:
Dear Madam,

At the outset we wish to inform you that this news is around six months old.

We assure you that Deepak Nitrite Limited, being a responsible corporate citizen, has done nothing wrong and complied with all the applicable regulatory norms.

Further, all our manufacturing plants are operating normal.

Regards,
Viral Thaker

Regards,
Sathish

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I too got the same reply.

But this reply doesn’t confirm that they have not dumped waste in water.

If this continue, India would overtake China in water pollution too.

Disclosure - Not holding…Not interested

Some thoughts on Deepak Nitrite. No recommendation to buy or sell. Don’t hold any position.

Early years- unviable business

• Founded in 1970 as a chemical trading company it gradually started manufacturing chemicals such as Sodium Nitrite and inorganic salts. As of 1997 (first AR available), it made a loss of 2.1cr, had equity of 43cr and around 80cr in debt.

• The early years from 1997- 2008 were a struggle. PAT fluctuated between 5cr-10cr, debt to equity ratio was more than 1 and ROE was in single digits they could have created more value by simply putting their money in an FD. The key reasons were volatile RM prices which they could not pass on, severe competition from China which had large scale plants and government support and generally weak demand in the Indian economy. Even the bull market years of 2003-2007 saw patchy profits due to pricing pressure.

• Conclusion- their business model of small-scale commodity chemical manufacturing was destroying capital and simply not viable in a world where India had liberalized and was freely allowing imports. The only reason they soldiered on was likely because it was a family business.

China reduces capacity- windfall gains

• Suddenly in 2009 the company reported a 6X increase in profits! The reason was China’s closure of plants to combat pollution. This clearly shows the impact of Chinese competition on their profitability, not even the global financial crisis could dent this.

• From 2010 onward the company became more confident and started increasing capex which grew from 166 cr in 2010 to 560 cr in 2017. New products such as OBA ( optical brightening agent) were introduced. While profitability did improve in these years to reach around 55-80cr the ROE was still poor at low teen levels.

Conclusion- Patience pays! China’s capacity reduction gave a new lease of life to Deepak.

Products and return ratios
The company has 3 main segments (other than the newly incorporated Phenolics subsidiary)

• Basic chemicals- they contribute around 50% of revenues and include commodity chemicals like Sodium Nitrite (around 15% of sales) and petrochemicals such as ortho and nitro toluene and fuel additives. The margins on these chemicals are crude oil driven which the company has no control over. Unlike Aarti Industries it does not control its EBITDA per ton. Its market share in many of these chemicals is already above 70-80% signifying saturation.

• Fine and specialty chemicals- this includes chemicals mainly used in dyestuffs and agro chemicals such as Xylidines and oximes. They are also petrochemicals (derivatives of aromatics such as Xylene) with prices dependent on crude oil dynamics. The market size for such chemicals is not much.

• Performance products- includes vertically integrated operations from toluene---- PNT------ DASDA----- OBA (optical brightening agent). OBA the main product is used as a brightening agent in textiles and paper. Deepak already claims a 75% share of this product hence further gains can only come from price increases and general market growth. China based Tsaker chemicals the largest global producer of DASDA and OBA is training its sights on the Indian market after having won an anti-dumping suit in early 2019.

• The overall ROEs of commodity chemical companies like Deepak are in the 10-15% range owing to low FA turnover (2.5X-3X) and relatively low margins of 10-15%. A few quarters or years of supply driven gains can optically increase ROEs but this needs to be set off against losses which will surely follow the wind fall years.

• Deepak’s ROEs even after 2009 driven by Chinese supply cuts have been in 10-12% range due to continuous high capex (more than tripled from fy 12-fy 17). FY 19 and FY 20 ROEs may be higher due to attractive spreads in phenol but this cannot be extrapolated.

Conclusion- Deepak’s product portfolio is rather unexciting and mostly maxed out in terms of volume growth given high market shares. Recent profit figures have been due to China driven price increases which cannot continue for ever. The diversity of products is also low with most of them dependent on crude oil pricing. The 60/40 domestic and export split shows good geographical diversification. Valuations need to consider low medium-term ROEs of the business despite a couple of windfall years.

Phenol business
• Deepak made a bold move in 2017 to set up a huge 1600cr phenol plant. This was triple the size of their 500cr+ net block at that time! The plant was set up as per schedule and has contributed strongly to its fy 19 numbers driving up its valuations.
• To understand how to value this, it is important to delve a bit deeper into the Phenol business to understand its economics.
• To start with, Phenol is a classic commodity chemical with huge capital commitments and extremely competitive market driven pricing with periods of over and under supply.
• Phenol is manufactured from Benzene and Propene, both of which are produced in large petrochemical crackers. So, the obvious question is why someone like Reliance has not set up a phenol plant? This is how it has been done elsewhere with PTT phenol in Thailand, Mitsui phenol (direct link with Shell in Jurong Island) in Singapore, Sinopec Phenol in China and Shell Phenol in Europe.
• A key advantage the refineries have is availability of feedstock, while Benzene can usually be procured, Propene has always been in scarce supply due to it being used for higher value chemicals like polypropylene. For example, Mitsui Chemical in Singapore has stopped Phenol production several times due to non-availability of Propene.
• The other important thing to understand is that the technology for phenol is freely available. In Fact, Deepak used KBR for technology and Thyssen Krupp as EPC contractor to set up its plant. The only thing it bought to the table was cash (and courage to take such a risk).
• Success in running any large-scale commodity chemical plant is fully based on cost and operational efficiency. Deepak has no experience in running such a plant where it has to now compete with vertically integrated incumbents who have been running such plants for the past 50 years.
• More importantly, it has a strong disadvantage in RM procurement. How will it then compete once the market balance is restored?
• Supply demand- phenol was in an overcapacity situation from 2012-2017 with at times negative spreads over benzene+ propene. Delay of new plants led to a favorable market which continues today. However, things can change anytime. China is now mostly self-sufficient in Phenol so the two major capacities in SE Asia, PTT Phenol’s 310k tons and Mitsui Singapore’s 200k tons have their eyes set on India.
• Anti dumping- this is no panacea and not easy to impose. Deepak recently lost an antidumping case against Tsaker chemical in China for DASDA. Such duties will only be imposed once Deepak gets into losses which is too late for investors.
Conclusion- prima facie, the entry into Phenol looks like a bold and opportunistic gamble by Deepak purely based on current supply-demand situation. The long-term characteristics of the business would be similar to any commodity chemical business. Big negative is that Deepak has no edge in running such a plant nor any RM procurement edge.

Valuations
• The most important thing to remember when valuing commodity businesses is that any given year of profits only tells you where they are in the commodity cycle, not how much they will make in future years.
• At this point both its phenol profits and DASDA profits (acknowledged in 4qfy19 call) are abnormal. Profits in other chemicals too have been turbocharged by China closures. Thus, PE multiple based valuations would be misleading.
• Another approach could be to look at book value. With its entry into Phenol, Deepak is now clearly a full-fledged commodity chemical company that sells on the spot market. A private buyer if at all interested in such a company would not much pay more than book given its lack of patented products or long-term customer relationships. Deepak currently at around 4000cr market cap trades at 4X its book value of around 1000cr. Clearly on the expensive side.
• Should one pay up for a high probability bright future; is Deepak a rising star? My sense is that while Deepak on balance is a well-run company which has survived decades as a small-scale business in India, it is now charting into unknown territory by venturing into running a large-scale commodity chemical plant with no clear edge. Given this situation, the risk-reward of paying up is weak.
• The sell side has been aggressively extrapolating its current profits into the future with no regard for risks (despite lessons from Avanti, Rain Ind. and Graphite), this is fine for riding the momentum and indeed the prices may well sustain for longer but serious positions cannot be taken at such prices.

• Best to buy such companies when things go wrong and the market forgets about intrinsic strength of the company.

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Couple of pointers on the new plant,

  1. In my opinion having such large capex in India is an edge, as this will deter domestic players from entering into the market.
  2. The ready availability in India will ensure that their small customer will prefer to buy locally - which will help in working capital for them.
  3. India currently gets only 20% of its phenol imports from China - and it is infact equally spread across, china, korea, USA, Thailand and singapore as they form 80% of current import. So, China is not that big a factor atleast for the Phenol plant. Similarly for Acetone, china is not a factor as it anyways is not a major supplier in India. Hence the risk is unwanted imho.
  4. Benzene is in surplus in india, though I agree polypropylene is a risk and needs to be tracked.
    5.I have already covered in point 1 as to why other’s will now not want to put up a similar plant india without loosing money. In-fact Haldia petrochem did do a feasibility on this but i guess they never got around to it.
  5. There is a good Govt of Gujrat presentation on what could be prospective IRR for P+A plant. I guess Govt will also ensure that strong measure are taken to ensure proper ADD are in place to compete in a healthy way.
  6. Also, ability to ramp up 100% capacity within 6 months of plant coming online does suggest that it is not so unknown afterall.

But Yes agree to the point that it is a commodity at the end of the but i feel there are few things which will ensure that they would be a supplier of choice for lot of domestic customers if not everyone.

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