Understanding IT sector

Hi all,

I’ve jotted down what I think are the most important variables for an investor to consider when exploring investment opportunities in the Indian IT space. You can also read this as an article on substack named “allthingsinvesting.substack.com”.

The focus is on qualitative aspects of a “typical” IT services business. I’ve not included businesses that offer IT Products and niche services. That is a topic for some other day.

Right at the onset let me say that I’ve learned a lot about this topic from various sources including Dr Malik’s blog, credit rating reports, Valuepickr threads and SOIC’s IT webinar. I highly recommend you check them out.

Please note that I have owned positions in a few of the businesses mentioned in the article since a long time. This is not an investment advice. I am not a registered advisor, please conduct your due diligence.

Current state of affairs

As I write the article on 12th Oct’23, the quarterly results of Infosys and TCS are out. The common theme is almost flat revenue growth, growing attrition and constant margin pressure. As a result, the market reacted and Infosys ADR (Infosys shares listed in the US) is down 6.5% in a single day!


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So is it worth spending time on this topic?

Yes, I think the best time to study a business is when it is going through challenges. Once the key variables of such a business are understood, it becomes easy to track and check if there are indications of the challenges receding. Hopefully, some of these businesses will become an opportunity down the line.

So, let’s jump right in!

Key Variable: Domain and context knowhow

Importance of the variable:

Clients usually start by first outsourcing non-critical business process work to an IT service provider. As the service provider gains a deep understanding of the domain and the specific client’s way of doing business, gradually the critical business processes get outsourced. Hence, an IT service provider that carefully leverages years of experience, gains the upper hand in winning new contracts related to the client’s critical business processes.

What does it impact: Revenue

Positive impact on revenue due to the enhanced ability to win business over competition.

Where to find it:

Conference calls and media announcements can be monitored to check if the IT service provider is winning business-critical work or not.

Another way to check if the IT service provider has strong “productized services”. These are industry-specific nearly ready-to-deploy solutions that the provider can develop only after gaining deep domain expertise over time.

“Strategic accounts” are clients who offer work to the service provider directly instead of following the tender route. Hence a growing number of strategic accounts indicate that the IT service provider has deep domain expertise.

Examples:

  1. TCS started experimenting with blockchain with a use case around non-critical business processes such as corporate announcements. It will gradually move to more critical processes like loan securitization, card payments, etc. Management noted they will leverage domain and contextual knowledge.


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  1. During a concall from Q1FY18 Infosys said it is working on “packet business solutions” created from 16,500 ideas it generated internally. This indicates Infosys may be able to deliver services in a shorter time compared to competitors, which any client values.


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Key Variable: Diversified revenue sources

Importance:

Regulations and geopolitical events can cause different parts of the world and industries to grow at different rates. Events such as the financial crisis in the US and Brexit in the UK have forced clients to delay their IT expenditure. Having a large percentage of revenue from a specific geography becomes risky for an IT service provider. Similarly, overreliance on revenue from clients belonging to a particular industry is a source of risk. Most IT services companies derive one-third of their revenue from clients that belong to Banks, financial services and the insurance industry (a.k.a BFSI), which is a risk. Incidentally, the current decrease in revenue growth of most IT majors is due to a slowdown in BFSI clients in the US.

What does it impact: Revenue

The higher the spread of clients across geographies and industries, the more stable the revenue.

Where to find it:

“Revenue by Geography” and “Revenue by Industry” data are disclosed by companies quarterly and annually. A trend of increasing revenue diversification is desirable.

Example:

Mastek is an IT service provider that relies heavily on public sector clients from the UK and EU for business. Till 2022, 68% of the revenue was generated from the region, which the provider brought down to 62% by FY 2023. A credit rating report by ICRA highlighted the reliance on a specific geography and a specific industry as a challenge.



Key Variable: Having an entire bouquet of services

Importance:

Clients prefer an IT vendor that offers end-to-end services right from consulting, application development and management and product engineering to enterprise application management along with newer services such as data analytics, cyber security, cloud migration, IoT, etc. That’s because managing fewer IT vendors is simpler and clients can then focus on their core business.

What does it impact : Revenue

Large IT services businesses such as Infosys, TCS, Wipro and others leverage this aspect quite well to sustain customer stickiness, win large contracts and get opportunities to cross-sell other services. So, offering end-to-end services improves the chances of generating high revenue growth.

Where to find it:

Most companies claim to offer a wide array of services. It is difficult to identify gaps in service offerings. However, research reports and concalls help. So, unless I am looking at a niche IT service provider such as Cyient Ltd, checking the scope of services offered on the provider’s website, via industry-connect and research reports is important.

Example:

TCS’s CEO in Q4 FY18 noted that offering “full service” has been their key strategy.


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Key Variable: Attrition

Importance:

Quite simply put, employees are the “raw material” of an IT service provider. Hence attrition may result in missed project deadlines, reduced quality of work and ultimately hamper client experience. Furthermore, it needs time to hire and train an employee to backfill the original position. While one cannot avoid attrition altogether, tracking management commentary on how they plan to keep it under check and if they are successful in doing it is key.

What does it impact : Cost, Future revenue

High attrition results in high employee costs (urgent hiring) in the short term and more severe issues in the long term.

Where to find it:

Most companies disclose attrition data quarterly and annually. A trend of declining or stable attrition percentage is a positive sign.

Key Variable: Type of contracts

Importance:

Typical types of contract IT service providers work with are fixed price and time & material (T&M). T&M contracts are where the client pays by the hours billed. This type of contract is safe for an IT service provider since issues like delays and extension of scope can be managed better as the client bears the cost. However, T&M also have lower margins compared to fixed-price contracts.

What does it impact: Margin

For a large IT service provider, a trend of increasing fixed-priced contracts is a positive sign as it indicates a better margin assuming they deliver the work without hiccups.

Where to find it:

Sometimes companies disclose data on the type of contracts quarterly and annually, otherwise, concalls can shed more light.

Example:

Infosys used to provide a breakdown of revenue by contract type till Q4 FY19. However, they’ve stopped disclosing it now.


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Key Variable: Employee utilization

Importance:

This one is straightforward. For an IT service provider staffing employees on billable projects is important to generate revenue. At the same time, having some employees without a billable project is also needed to showcase the ability to deliver new projects quickly. During tough times such as FY 23, IT service providers choose to slow down hiring and focus on improving utilization levels.

What does it impact: Margin

Where to find it:

Most companies disclose utilization data quarterly and annually.

Example:

Infosys has shown good improvement in employee utilization from FY 16 to FY 22. The more recent utilization numbers are poor in comparison.



Key Variable: Onsite vs offshore mix and pyramid management

Importance:

Having employees in the client’s geography such as the US is expensive. However, it is convenient to coordinate and gain visibility of potential projects. Hence IT service providers try to maintain a balance between onsite and offshore mix.

For an IT service provider, keeping the pyramid flat is beneficial. It means having higher employees at lower levels and fewer at top levels. Both these variables are ways to control costs.

What does it impact: Margin

A not-so-well-established IT service provider may have to maintain a high percentage of employees in the client’s geography. So, a declining trend of onsite mix suggests that clients trust the provider’s capability of delivering work from India.

Where to find it:

Onsite mix data is usually disclosed quarterly and annually. For pyramid management, listening to quarterly concalls helps.

Example:

Infosys has improved its onsite mix over the years. However, it must be noted that its sub-contractor cost (mostly temporary on-site employees) has gone up.



Key Variable: Alliances and acquisitions

Importance:

For an IT services provider, to stay relevant, it is important to make sensible alliances and acquisitions to get niche talent, enter new geographies and develop new capabilities. During the last 5 years, IT service providers have made a lot of acquisitions in blockchain, analytics, IoT, customer experience and recently generative AI space.

Similarly, they’ve also made huge efforts to get employees certified on cloud, security and ERP tools. Having a large pool of certified workforce improves the chances of winning contracts and getting referrals from partners.

However, since not every effort succeeds only a few of these initiatives end up contributing meaningfully.

What does it impact: Revenue

Where to find it:

Annual reports and media announcements are a good source to track this variable. If one has limited time, listening to concalls will help since other analysts usually inquire about such developments.

Example:

Infosys has an “Infosys Innovation Fund“ which identifies and invests in promising start-ups that can benefit Infosys. By FY 21, Infosys had invested $72 mn which became $36 mn after booking minor profits. Even though the outcome may not be impressive, in my opinion, investing a small portion of profit by spreading the bets across emerging technologies is a prudent strategy instead of missing out on opportunities.


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There are a few other variables such as managing currency risk, book-to-bill ratio, maturity of systems and processes, etc. Looking through financials for any irregularities is important too. However, I am certain one can assess an IT service provider quite well by tracking the key variables mentioned above.

Let me know what you think.

Cheers!
Mahesh

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Precisely the reason for support during Pandemic was not just human grounds but more to do with increasing margins and uptick in EPS leading to P/E expansion. As soon as P/E starts contracting you will see them laying off employees in masses.
Managements are extremely focused on valuations as that helps them growth their wealth. Most of the Top Management holds more than 20% to 30% in their own business which is good but at the same time, if they see P/E contractions due to poor PAT growth, the first thing which may do is trim the manpower.

There are lot of positives as well, such as, opportunity to work on International projects, Process oriented work, good governance but there are some cons of working in IT industry.

As an investor, our perspective should be different as we will also like to see gains in the stock price.

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Replying this too late, but “AI” being able to write a code without or with minimal human assistance is still tough when we start applying real world use cases.

Personally got a chance to work on a very similar requirement from one of the clients. The solution was not as expected.
Machines still lack the human intelligence nuances - understanding of tones, discussion with business executives, more often clients want us to chip in and help them understand how technology can help. On the other hand, AI needs the user/client to tell them exactly what we want so it can write the “code”.

Business requirements are still messy, full of nuances, constrained by budgets and has elements of common sense. AI will surely reach that level maybe in few more years but not today.

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Hello everyone.
I have 3 questions about this sector.

  1. Why the large-cap IT companies outsource their work to the small-cap IT companies? In what condition do they do this?

  2. What is the nature of the clients “IT spending” pattern in good and bad situation?

  3. Like for FMCG it’s a volume game, can we say that for IT it’s, number of active clients game?

Anyone’s contribution would be helpful.

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This depends on the kind of work. Typical food chain model - A Tier 1 would deliver in house what they consider “value-added” services and pass on the lower value services to a Tier 2. Likewise the Tier 2 would deliver in house “value” services from that and pass on mundane work to a Tier 3.

Additionally, it also depends on the capabilities and skillset in the org. If a certain Tier 1 has a large team of resources specializing in so called lesser value-added services and those same resources are delivering a larger portion of the service to the client, it makes operational sense to deliver the lesser value-added services from the same team. This drives operational leverage for the Tier 1.

This is applicable to the IT Services orgs. ER&D and other niche areas have a much more nuanced approach.

Typically a good scenario for IT is where the economy is affluent and clients have sufficient budgets. Or this can be external driven like COVID which drove a lot of the digital transformation in the last 2-3 years. A bad situation is where core business of the clients is where the main focus is, budgets are restrictive and typically IT spending gets cut first. Within IT spending, non-essential would get cut or rather delayed or put on the backburner. Essential spending like ER&D would not see as much cutting. If you observe all the listed IT Services companies’ concalls for the last 2-3 quarters, you will see such (not bad but cautious) commentary.

Number of clients is one important metric but not the end-all metric like volume and value for FMCG. You have to look at

  1. Revenue per client (increasing means they are gaining higher wallet share from the client),
  2. Onshore:offshore ratio (how much of the work is delivered remotely vs requiring physical in country presence with the client),
  3. Contract type between fixed cost vs time & material costs (T&M allows for passing higher costs through),
  4. Revenue by region (are they spread across the globe or concentrated in a country),
  5. Revenue by customer concentration (how much of their revenue comes from Top 5, Top 10, Top 25 clients)
  6. Attrition rate (typical Tier 1 companies have ~15% attrition. 1.5 years ago this was up to 30%, meaning every 3 years, the entire team base is new.)
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good checklist, 7. Total Contract Value (TCV) is a crucial metric which gives revenue visibility for the upcoming quarters/year(s).

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Yes, but be careful - that metric is equivalent to order book in a manufacturing company. The company needs to execute against that order to recognise that revenue into its topline.

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Also in recent times the contract tenure has been extending as per the concalls of many companies so revenue will be thin. A $100mn contract of 5 years earlier is now of 7 years so there won’t be quick uptick in revenue as before.

Accenture revenue from AI for the entire last year 300 million dollars. This quarter alone it is 450 million dollars. This would be one of the key metrics to watch.

If AI takes off, all enterprises would come under pressure to spend on cloud and rejig their apps. Indian companies see huge opportunity.

Plus many IT spending gets deferred, not scrapped. Large cap IT largest chunk of my pfo.

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Adding my two cents to an already excellent response by @aditya14920251.

These are called Sub-contractor costs. Apart from the value-added and non-value added categories Aditya mentioned, reasons for sub-contracting work are:

  1. To deliver projects where onsite presence is needed immediately but the T1 service provider doesn’t have the talent available due to visa issues, all employees already staffed on projects, hiring lead time, etc.
  2. Requirement of a niche skill that the company does not have or does not want to hire immediately. For instance, back in 2018 when blockchain was new to the scene, I worked for an IT consulting firm and worked on developing proof of concepts by partnering with a start-up through a revenue-sharing model. My employer could have easily hired people with blockchain skill sets. However, they were testing the waters first.

Spending on technology is almost always discretionary. Businesses decide to spend a certain percentage of revenue on IT. The percentage depends on the industry (retail and BFSI industries spend heavily on IT). Hence, in good times revenues increase and so do IT expenditures.

However, there were exceptions when technology became a necessity rather than a competitive advantage. Like @aditya14920251 mentioned, Covid forced everyone to go online (read cloud). Hence spending on cloud services was mandatory to survive despite the economy being bad.

Similarly, during 2015-17, concalls of all major US retailers spoke about the “Amazon Effect” wherein brick-and-mortar retailers like Target, Walmart, etc. HAD TO invest heavily in fostering an online presence to survive. Those who couldn’t or didn’t have the financial wherewithal to invest perished (for example Toys R Us).

Similarly, in last couple of years, the threat of EVs has pushed auto OEMs to spend on R&D to come up with new models quicker. Again, every OEM has to do it or face a stiff battle to survive. This trend has been giving a fillip to ER&D service providers across the globe. Please read Tata Tech’s RHP document’s industry overview section. It narrates the story much better than I did.

It is not so straightforward. For instance, in the case of Onward Technologies (an ER&D services provider), they’ve reduced the number of active customers from some 200+ to 90+ on purpose. They want to focus on important accounts. Their top 25 customers bring in 85% of the revenue. I believe it is a sensible move in this particular instance.
Additionally, different industries bring in different margins to an IT service provider. Historically, BFSI and retail have been adopting technology earlier than manufacturing, mining, utilities, etc. So, projects from those two industries have better margins.

To sum up, there are two ways to play IT services (and there are 100 ways to paradise!)

  1. Go for the biggies, the Tier 1s. - They provide 12%-13% CAGR returns over the long term. One can invest and chill. However, can’t complain when any other run-of-the-mill IT smallcap becomes a doubler in 8 months!
  2. Look for themes and then smaller IT service providers -
    From 2018 to 2022 - Small/Mid IT providers with Cloud capabilities won big
    From 2020-2023 - Small/Mid IT providers with ER&D capabilities won big
    When BFSI industry bounces back (hoping it happens soon) - Look for IT providers with large BFSI clientele

Hope it helps.

Cheers!
Mahesh

PS: Not SEBI registered. Not an investment advice. I hold positions in IT across the spectrum.

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In IT you need to understand ACV vs TCV. TCV is for example 10 M to 10 years is 100 M but the customer can come out of contract after 1 year there is no penalty in contracts.

ACV new business is measured if they are winning in the market place. and ACV *0,8 you can predic revenue for next year.

All the AMS and infra contracts have productivity built in which means that revenue will drop every year by 5 to 8 %. AMS multiyear deals are given based on cost savings . This has to covered by new deals .

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This website has a lot of data points about this industry.

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https://www.gartner.com/en/newsroom/press-releases/2024-04-16-gartner-forecast-worldwide-it-spending-to-grow-8-percent-in-2024?utm_campaign=SM_GB_YOY_GTR_SOC_SF1_SM-PR

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This is my assessment as well. Corporate IT spend is unavoidable though cyclical. Whatever you hold back this year you spend with vengeance after one or two years.

Anecdotal evidence suggests that companies across industries have Gen AI pilot projects and results are promising. One large British company I know expects to revamp its entire IT infrastructure in the next two years to make good use of AI. I would assume this pattern would repeat widely.

Disc: Super heavily invested in Indian IT services and Nadaq

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I agree with you on IT spendings part. Good to see your conviction in Indian IT also. Can you pls share your top holdings in Indian IT? Its not for purpose of gaining borrowed conviction, but there set of slightly different companies within Indian IT. Depending on ones you hold with such high conviction, I can ask relevant things subsequently…

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