Sahana Systems Ltd Concall

The detailed Summary of Q2FY25 Concall of Sahana Systems

  1. Financial Performance**
  • Revenue:
    • Half-year (H1 FY2024-25) consolidated revenue stood at ₹52.6 crore, compared to the prior year’s full-year consolidated revenue of ₹69 crore.
    • Management expressed confidence in surpassing last year’s full-year revenue.
  • Profit After Tax (PAT):
    • Half-year PAT at ₹9.8 crore; full-year PAT for the previous fiscal year was ₹15.3 crore standalone and ₹18.21 crore consolidated.
  • Growth Drivers:
    • Increased contribution from defense and fintech segments, with significant upcoming orders in the pipeline.
  • Operating Margins:
    • Margins are stable, supported by the company’s high-value defense contracts and operational efficiencies.
  1. Margin Guidance**
  • Management aims to maintain current margins, leveraging:
    • Higher-value products in the defense segment, like radar and anti-drone systems.
    • Scalable fintech solutions, particularly UPI-related projects for domestic and international markets.
  • Focus on cost optimization in R&D and operations through partnerships with academia and research institutions.
  1. Business Segment Performance**

Defense Technology

  • Key offerings:
    • Anti-drone systems, radar systems, and electronic warfare solutions.
    • Indian Army partnership for critical projects, appreciated at the highest levels.
  • Recent Developments:
    • Engagements with foreign governments for radar and anti-drone solutions, including a potential deal with a neighboring country.
  • Pipeline:
    • Large-scale orders in discussion for safeguarding sensitive locations abroad.
    • Differentiator: Faster deployment and integrated software-driven solutions compared to competitors.

Fintech

  • Key offerings:
    • Development of ONDC switches and interoperable UPI systems.
    • Significant projects with U.S.-based banks for end-user computing and large-scale banking transformations.
  • Pipeline:
    • Collaborations with countries to implement interoperable UPI systems to revolutionize their financial ecosystems.
    • Current fintech orders include digitizing agricultural credit societies across two Indian states.

Healthcare

  • Key offerings:
    • No-code AI platforms, healthcare management information systems (HMIS), and digitalization of EMR (Electronic Medical Records).
  • Market Strength:
    • Long-standing U.S. customers in the healthcare sector since 2016.

Education Technology

  • Smaller focus compared to defense and fintech.
  • Involvement in government-led initiatives to transform India’s education ecosystem.

4. Management Guidance for the Future

  • Revenue Growth:
    • Management anticipates significant growth in FY2024-25 and FY2025-26 from new projects, particularly in defense and fintech.
  • Geographical Expansion:
    • Increasing international presence through government-to-government collaborations and export of fintech and defense technologies.
  • Focus Areas:
    • Prioritizing defense and fintech as core growth drivers, while retaining other segments for long-term relationships and smaller contributions.
  • R&D Strategy:
    • Collaborations with IITs and top researchers.
    • Investment in advanced AI/ML technologies to stay ahead in innovation.

5. Key Risks

  • Competition:
    • Several players entering the anti-drone and radar ecosystem, including established defense PSUs and private firms like Zen Technologies.
    • Sahana’s edge lies in faster deployment and superior software integration.
  • Dependency on Government Orders:
    • Heavy reliance on defense contracts and government approvals, which are subject to delays and budget constraints.
  • Geopolitical Risks:
    • Ongoing negotiations with foreign governments could face geopolitical hurdles or regulatory challenges.
  • Fintech Adoption:
    • Success in implementing UPI and ONDC systems abroad depends on the willingness and regulatory support of foreign nations.

6. Industry Trends

  • Defense Technology:
    • Growing demand for indigenous and cost-effective solutions due to geopolitical tensions.
    • Focus on integrating advanced AI-driven solutions in warfare systems.
  • Fintech:
    • Massive growth in UPI transactions in India, surpassing the GDP of several countries.
    • Other nations are exploring the adoption of UPI technology to modernize their financial systems.
  • Healthcare and AI:
    • Increasing reliance on AI-based healthcare solutions for digital transformation in global markets.
  • Education Technology:
    • Digitization of education systems gaining traction, driven by government initiatives.

Conclusion

Sahana Systems Ltd showcased robust performance in H1 FY2024-25, driven by its defense and fintech segments. The company remains optimistic about securing large-scale international contracts and maintaining margin stability. While it faces risks from competition and dependence on government orders, its strong pipeline and technological edge position it well for future growth. Management’s strategic focus on high-value segments and innovation will likely drive sustained growth in the coming years.

Disc: Not invested, looking for the education purpose

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Sahana Systems is a deep tech service co. specializing in AI, ML, IoT, BI, and blockchain services.

Co. operates across defence tech, fintech, health tech, edutech, and master system integration.

Vision to be a 5000cr enterprise by 2026

Defence Tech:

Co has developed AI-powered systems for the Indian Army, including anti-drone systems and radar systems. (100% Make in India-except Chips)

Co focuses on electronic warfare (EW), information warfare (IW), and digital product engineering for defence.

Products are cost-effective and customisable - competitive edge over intl. players.

Co in talks with neighboring countries to secure critical locations (King’s Palaces) with their anti-drone & radar systems.

Company has worked with the Indian Army, including delivering a system for the evaluation of marching contingents at the Army Day parade.

They have also supplied anti-drone systems to the 26 PAR regiment and Gujarat Police.

Sahana system Worked along with Gujarat Police during PM’s Shri Narendra Modi september’24 visit and provided Anti Drone System for the rally.

Fintech:

Co manages end-user computing for US banks and has developed a homegrown switch for financial institutions

Co is capable of implementing the entire NPCI stack, including UPI & in talks with several countries to implement their interoperable UPI system.

Co. currently executing a large order for digitizing agriculture credit societies worth 70cr. Timeline - 1 yr. Order recd. June 24.

This order is recieved under govt digitalization scheme of PACs (Primary Agricultural Credit Societies) - with total outlay of scheme at 2516 crs.

Co has a no-code AI platform , Co is delivery partner for 3rd largest smart home company in US, Co is working on solutions for smart infra, using AI.

Co working with govt, including Ministry of Petroleum & Mo Ports, on large-scale projects.

Rev Split:
Govt - 65%
Private - 35%

Financials part:
Company has already achieved 77% of last year sales in H1 2024.


Maintaining a healthy EBITDA of 38% from last 2 quarters.

Disc: Invested

My only concern that is preventing me from advancing in my position is that the promoter, Pratik Ramjibhai Kakadia, sold all his shareholding and completely exited Sharanam Infraproject & Trading Ltd in August 2021.
I tried to find the reason behind this, but was unsuccessful. If any of the forum experts have any insights on this matter, I would appreciate it if you could enlighten us.

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Recently Founder & CEO of Infiltron Advance system pvt ltd Mr. Himanshu dave joined Sahana system as an Executive VP ( defense technology)

In concall, mgt did not confirm nor deny about the possibility of acquision of Infiltron advance system.

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