Kirloskar brothers - 100 years old fluid engineering gorilla

I had come across this news a couple of months back but I did not follow up on this.

But what caught my attention again was L&T CFO’s interview in financial express last week. Where he mentioned
Among the areas that are expected to see the biggest amounts of capex are water, followed by power transmission and renewable energy. The fourth would be urban congestion.”

Now if water is biggest infra opportunities pump will a key beneficiary. Kirloskar with market leader can benefit disproportionately.

What does KBL does and how if fits into this story?
They are into all types of pumps. They have global subsidiaries across UK, US and south africa all into pump business.
They also have valves and some turbines.
They had 80% of business coming from EPC around water projects but have reduced that to around 20% due to obvious challenges of EPC business.
So going forward they are like pure play capital goods company.

They are focus into a niche segment and don’t have any unrelated biz.

They have around 15% of India’s market share and 3% of global market share. A company which has paid dividend 95 years out of last 100 years.

We are already seeing government’s focus on water conservation, drinking water and effluent treatment with projects across country. This story is true for most of the developing world including mid-east and Africa.

Also, housing, agri (solar pumps) will drive growth in a reasonable way with government’s continued focus.

Private capex and normal infra (airports, metros etc) can also see improved demand.

What can be other triggers?
KBL is trying to focus on product and not get into EPC business. They had got into EPC business big time in 2003-08 and that dragged down their profitability till 2016. This can improve return ratios dramatically.

Coming to financials:
As mentioned above last 10 years have been washout due to EPC projects. So nothing spectacular here. This has been true for most companies in capital goods.
Ratios:

Flattish revenue has to be seen in the context of their getting out of project business. That is validated by improving margins.

But valuations continue to be compelling even taking these valuations into account.

A bit about valuations. They have revenues of 3000+ Crores With 60/40 Domestic and Global split.
They trade 1100 cr valuation at 0.3 P/S and 11 PE. Div yield is around 2%. Return ratios are low. D/E is around 0.3 very comfortable.

Now comparing with a similar engineering company which is market leader in its segment and similar global foot print. Elgi equipment trades at 5000 cr mcap, 2.5 times P/S and 100+ PE.

Even a small player Shakti pumps trades at 2 P/S and much higher PE.

There is a nice old report which gives good details for those who want to do deep dive into business, subsidiaries etc.

They continue to remain focused on adopting new technologies

Trivia: They have a factory in Tamilnadu totally run by women. Shows their forward thinking and commitment to larger values.

If visible triggers play out this can get rerated very quickly.

Now what can be risks which can prevent that:

  1. Water, waste water, effluent treatment capex not taking off- Very unlikely.
  2. Global biz - 40% dragging down performance. Reasonable chances.
  3. Competitive intensity - Being market and technology leader they should be able to handle it well. KSB was always a competition.
  4. Delayed payments and high working capital dragging down performance - Unlikely as they have got out of EPC projects and they are equipment supplier. So complete project risks are off to the EPC partner.
  5. Kirloskar family disputes - This is common issue across family owned businesses be it Reliance or Muruggapa. as long as biz is not impacted, I would not attach too much importance.

Disc: Invested around current price. Looking forward to add to my position.

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https://www.constructionweekonline.in/business/16042-kbl-adds-feather-in-cap-by-supplying-fire-fighting-pump-sets-to-atal-tunnel-project

Interesting information beyond financials.

Subscription based model - Pump-as-a-Service
Fish-friendly pumps
In egypt a pump is also known as ‘Kirloskar’

From L&T results today

“New project opportunities are mostly seen in water, transportation, power transmission and distribution and renewable energy and green fuels.”

Opportunities in water is going to be strong for next couple of years.

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This can take companies like Kirloskar brothers to completely different orbit

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Alok Kirloskar, Head-International Business, Kirloskar Brothers Limited, talks about all the latest technologies and trends including Industry 4.0, Artificial Intelligence, the New Economy, the Internet of Things and how they use VR for training and AR for service.

Said Alok Kirloskar, “For a business promoter, AI for me has one very clear aspect: Knowledge management. That’s how I see AI as our number one focus. Workers and management get information about the business. They are learning and able to identify trends about business.”

About IoTs he said, “We use these for monitoring pump diagnostics and pump health. We have pumps on our offshore platforms. Almost 50% of the world’s offshore oil platforms have our pumps on them. It’s very difficult to go to those platforms. That is where these devices help.”

https://www.pcquest.com/ai-key-knowledge-management-no-1-focus-alok-kirloskar/

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Despite downward market trend, this counter is scaling new high and no one talks about it.

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I am also wondering when everything going crazy in the company … no one is talking about the same , Revue has jumped 17% YOY , EBITA increased 57% YOY , EPS has doubled , Good order book .

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https://www.financialexpress.com/industry/kirloskar-family-feud-intensifies-as-kirloskar-oil-engines-seeks-shareholder-nod-for-pumps-business-expansion/3207019/

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Darshan Gala:
Kirloskar brother’s Q1 Fy24 concall :memo::
The results is their testament to their efforts to improve the product mix, increase operating leverage and reduce input costs.

order book is at 3020crs

Most of the international subsidiaries witnessed a healthy growth on the top line along with an expansion in Operating profit margin this was mainly on account of the company’s efforts to offer value added services, niche products along with creating sustainable cash_generating business streams.

Their Subsidiary in SPP Pumps UK has a global presence serving customer’s in different regions.

They focus mainly on Fire pumps for industrial plants, fire pumps for commercial buildings and as well as oil and gas. In addition to this, they focus on pumps for water utilities and for Chemical markets as well as service business.

In US, they cater to commercial real estate side of the business with focus on fire and water again. As highlighted here, there is no service business in the US entity.

In duth market they witness good traction on revenue side. Their focus remains on turning around the duth operations, further diversifying the order book by creating more daily business around destruction and services and continue growing their share of framework contracts in the services business.

Their Dutch entity will be launching unique and innovative products, which are focused on the Benelux region. They believe this value proposition will be a growth driver for turning around this business, along with various cost cutting initiatives, which they have already progressed in.

On their South African Business, service side is performing well. Their South African business has mJor service contracts in the power and mining sector. In addition to this, they have a lot of product sales into both the mining and distribution sectors as well as chemical sectors. Overall, the business continues to do sell on the operational and financial side

In their Thai business, they’re focusing on replicating the model similar to India with distribution, Here their Focus areas continue to be on building in commercial markets, fire markets, and chemical and industrial
Markets. Their endeavor is to increase the services portion of this business as well. They anticipate the increased investment in energy sectors and advances in pump technology will drive demand for pumps and have a positive effect on the global pumps market. In future years, this will benefit KBL and their international subsidiaries.

Additionally the international business, investment services and framework contracts, there are currently over 100 active framework contracts across all operations. They will continue their efforts to expand this business where they have implemented AI, AR as well as their 3D printer giving them some advantages

For kirloskar Ebara pumps Ltd, KEPL continues to have a healthy order book around 451crs this year and will continue its growth trajectory.

In Domestic market,they don’t want to give any guidance on growth but will grow faster than the economy.

According to them, there was no one off, these type of growth is sustainable

They do services business to create stickiness

In their B2C business, they are the only ones who can sell their products. They are the highest in price, and sre able to get a premium compared to the competition and they are the only ones who sell without giving any credit

On capacity Utilisation continues to be in the range of 60-70% and they have a continuous program for de-bottlenecking modernization. That is why they don’t do sudden spurts in capex.

In case of domestic B2B pumps, Oil and gas sector has picked up. There has been alot of orders that they have bagged for both Kirloskar Ebara as well as KBL. And actually, if you notice that there’s been a huge demand.

Darshan Gala:
However, they do believe that in terms of the number of steel vendors, that’s really not enough to cater to the huge demand that sector has today, which is why one of the reasons why they see a de growth in kirloskar Ebara sales is bcz the steel manufacturers have been really full in their capacity, and there have been alot of delays in dispatches from their side, which is why a lot of their consignments have not gone out this qtr
But that should go out in q2, so according to them yes demand is good, but there is an issue generally with the supply chain in India. They do believe that there are not enough qualified sub- vendors not the pump vendors, but the sub- companies to the pump vendors

On the opportunity on pump storage hydropower
They launched metallic volute pimps sometime 15-16years ago. And as you go larger, they have reversible turbines.
With the requirements in India, earlier being smaller pumps, they have developed a range of up to 30 megawatts . Where these pump storage schems actually require pps of 100 plus megawatts. And while they believe they are capable of doing this too. They are always asked where is you’re proven track record.
Now according to them, if India hasn’t had requirements of such pumps earlier. They cannot provide a proven track record. And they are therefore trying to see how they can still deliver . Maybe they will grow their sizes. The capability is, there, but i guess it’s not having supplied earlier that hurts them. Many of their customers over the years, for the last 8 years, have trusted us to make products of all kinds for the first time in India.
And while they have gone up 30megawatts.they need to build trust to go beyond 30 megawatts. That’s as car as pump storage schemes are concerned.

The order book of 3000crs is executable in 12-18months

Th American petroleum Institute certified pumps (API) they supply to is BB2, BB3, BBB4, BB5, and VS4,VS5, OH3 AND OH5 AND OH2. so those are the categories within API that they supply. And non API is ISO 5199

They are supplying pumps to GOOGLE, AWS and MICROSOFT, these pumps mostly go into data centres . They have fire pumps.

There is standardization for these pumps. And thays really why they’re able to get them in good numbers, bcz usually they are designed, the data centres are designed by big engineering companies, people like Arabs and all these guys. And so the specification is sort of put through them, usually or they sort of come up with the specification

KBL AND SPP qualify to almost every global standard that’s possible. And about a decade ago, KBL was the first pump company in India to have FMUL approval for its firefighting, the factory and it’s products

They are the only company who designs in India snd manufacturers in India for the world. So when their products are Accepted around the world, bcz they meet global standards, whether of quality or performance, or delivery, they make some of the most efficient pumps in the world.

They are already supplying pumps to India to the ame three entities they mentioned above microsoft, Aws, google. Bcz pumps are already approved for the entire group
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Very nice detailed information on every business jn differnt sector nd different countries.

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Q3 Result out, not satisfactory on comparing with Q3,23 results. 9 Months result up in comparison. Any suggestions ???