ABB India - Next Gen Technologies Power-packed

lingalarahul7 · November 23, 2019, 11:56am

Hello friends,

ABB India is a commercial subsidiary of ABB Ltd, Swedish-Swiss based top industrial company. ABB India operates in various industrial segments like Power, Infrastructure, Transportation, Automation. ABB is going through a restructuring to focus on new-age businesses and get rid of old technology businesses. Please note that ABB India follows Calendar Year for results instead of Financial Year.

Main divisions in the company include:

Electrification Products
Industrial Automation
Robotics and Motion
Power Grids

The parent company has announced that it would sell Power Grids business (across all global locations) to Hitachi for $11 billion. Indian business Power Grids business will also be sold to Hitachi consequently. However, I’m not sure how much cash is India business is going to receive. This deal will be closed by mid-2020.

We can dive deeper into each of the above mentioned divisions now.

Electrification Products - EP:

The products here include Solar Inverters, EV turbo-charging, Data Center management, Smart Power Distribution, Digital Power Monitoring Technology. All the three businesses have good tailwinds for the next decade once they gain momentum.

Electrification Products	2018	2017
Orders	2754	2481
Order Backlog	1337	1170
Revenue	2616	2439
Results	250	281
Margins	0.09556574924	0.1152111521

Solar Inverters:

These convert DC (generated from Solar plants) to AC (needed by grid) and it also controls and monitors the entire PV system. Currently these are used in solar power plants being constructed in India. ABB India’s product is a premium product and has a market share of 45-50% in Solar Inverters. Solar Inverter market is a competitive one, however, Solar plants are long gestation plants with expected life cycle of 25 years and hence the customers are incentivised to go for premium products like ABB’s Solar Inverters. Going forward, if (and hopefully) we see solar adoption on top of residential and commercial complexes, then scope of expansion for this business is huge. We already see the adoption of Solar Inverters in factories, railway stations and such places.

Unfortunately couldn’t find much about the pricing of Solar Inverters online. Some resource says 6 Rs per Watt but that implies 6000 crore market assuming 10 GW of Solar power is installed in the country. But that sounds too much as ABB India’s (whose market share is 50%) total Electrification Products revenue is about 2500 crores.

EV Turbo-charging:

ABB has the fastest EV charging technology in the world. They can charge an EV for range of 200 km within 8 mins. ABB has both the connecting solutions: CCS and ChaDeMo.

Good to see more and more Automobile brands in the country launching EVs. We already have couple of 2W startups, Mahindra Reva, Hyundai Kona. New upcoming EVs in the country include Bajaj Chetak, MG EVZs, Tata E-Tigor, Tata E-Tiago, Maruti Suzuki E-WagonR…

Yet to understand how the pricing works for EV charging stations. I believe this forms a very miniscule portion of the company given the number of electric cars currently being used in the country.

Data Center Management:

Everyone in the world now acknowledges the power of data. More and more data centers are being opened up in the country. The Govt’s Data Protection Law is going to help this business grow. ABB is working with one of the biggest name to supply the power system as well as automation system for their first and largest data center that is being setup in the country. The management didn’t name this customer but my guess is it should one of FAANG. Unfortunately, I don’t have numbers to break up this further. Request experts in this area to share their thoughts.

Some additional applications in the EP business include Digital Monitoring Technology - MyRemoteCare, Power Distribution Products, Smart Power Distribution systems in Sports Stadiums. One example is Delhi Airport deployed ABB India’s technology to achieve 30% superior efficiency in energy consumption.

Industrial Automation - IA:

More and more factories in the world are focussing on automating their processes. This will bring in more efficiency and transparency to businesses. Such practices have also started in India.

Digital monitoring of machines helps the factory owner detect issues in their motors and machines early hand can get an engineer ready to fix them / replace them and reduce downtime. Automation will also help reduce reliance on employees. There are many such incentives for industries in the country to leverage digitalization in automation.

Industrial Automation	2018	2017
Orders	1701	1525
Order Backlog	1336	1155
Revenue	1540	1409
Results	190	170
Margins	0.1233766234	0.1206529454

Some year-wise customers of ABB India’s IA division include:
2014 - JSPL, Reliance Industries, Indian Railways, Cairn India, SAIL, EIL
2015 - Abul Khair Steel Mills Bangladesh, Diesel Locomotive Works, Swiber Offshore Construction PTE Ltd, Asian Paints Ltd, Orient Cements, Hongsa Mines, BSRM, Ultratech Cement, Steel Authority of India Ltd
2016 - Petronet LNG, Ultratech Cement, Uganda Govt, Africa Oil Major, Pernod Ricard, Reliance Industries, Britannia Industries, Berger Paints, Adani Green Energy, Karnataka Govt, JSW, Indian Oil, Asian Paints
2017 - Leading cement manufacturer, LPG GoI, Thermal Power Plant GoI, F&B sector, Leading paint manufacturer, Mining and steel major, Cement major, Leading mining company, Paper making firm, Oil import terminal in Africa
2018 - Cement Plant in Central Africa, Oil & Gas sector, Steel Plants in Europe and Asia

In most of industries, we see only the strong players participating in Industrial Automation and Digitalization here. As the next players see the benefits of these early adopters, they will start to leverage these technologies and expand the market for ABB India. Another interesting observation is the company stopped providing the names of their customers from 2017 and started saying in conf calls that they don’t want to name them. Probably, the competitors of customers have started approaching. Management also says that lots of CXO level leaders in the country are enquiring a lot about ABB’s automation and digitalization solutions.

Some quantitative statements by management include that the cement major (UItratech?) is seeing 20% to 30% improvement in efficiencies as they digitalize their plants.

Projects in IA can either be of OPEX nature or CAPEX nature. What we see in current revenues is mostly OPEX nature. We will get to taste the real juice from this division once the core CAPEX in the country is picked up. Until then we need to wait patiently for this business to pick up steam. Management also says that digitalization is currently being applied only in low-hanging fruits process industries in the country (as lots of energy is consumed there) and a base is being created in the current years and we might see good exponential acceleration going forward.

Robotics and Motion - RM:

The three businesses in this segment include drives, motors & generators and robotics.

Robotics and Motion	2018	2017
Orders	2637	2008
Order Backlog	1860	1723
Revenue	2502	1936
Results	221	163
Margins	0.08832933653	0.08419421488

Electric drives control the motion of electrical machines. This is widely used in large number of industrial and domestic applications like factories, transportation systems, textile mills, fans, pumps, motors, robots etc. Please feel free to watch below video, very crisp and concise explanation of drives.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vz4a65ALLs0

Railways and Metro in India is expanding a lot as Indian cities and transportation infrastructure need them. This is driving the business for ABB’s traction motors. You can watch below video about traction motors:

Robotics is the usage of machines to manufacture products in factories. Most of the business here comes from Automotive industries for ABB and F&B industries too. Given the current slump in Automobile sales in the country, this is going through headwinds in CY19 but the company is expanding this business to other end industries.

Power Grids - PG (to be sold discontinued):

This division offers products, systems, software, automation and service across the power value chain. Various products include traction transformers, substations, HVDCs, Switch-gears and many other related products.

Power Grids	2018	2017
Orders	3386	3706
Order Backlog	5884	7699
Revenue	4222	3129
Results	422	308
Margins	0.09995262909	0.09843400447

The division discontinued the EPC substation business, which is where it is less of value add and less of not much of tech involved, and where the market space is more commoditized. So we said that we will sort of focus in the core of tech, that is what Sanjeev is mentioning in other areas which you saw before. So this is not a major revenue stream for us.

The transaction with Hitachi is expected to close in Q2CY20.

Few comments on exports and localization:

ABB India is very focussed on localization and exports. Management says that growth may not come only from India market but also from exports to other ABB companies worldwide. Exports already contribute 15% of sales across divisions. Quoting Sanjeev Sharma’s words from Q1CY19 conf call:

“I remember that 3.25 years back when I came here, I think there was a perception outside India about the products manufactured in India. So first you have to do is to prove yourself in small steps to ensure that the customers will receive deliveries out of India, whether it’s an engineering export or it is the manufacturing export that they are extremely satisfied. They are as satisfied as they need for deliveries coming out of Italy, China, Spain or wherever. We did a simple trick. We said, okay, if you want to compete, our motors should be as good or better than what is produced in China or Spain or Italy. And we imported motors from these locations, our own factories. We have put them right in the middle of our manufacturing plant and then we had a challenge to our whole team, listen, our products should have a better performance and they should look better aesthetically than what we produce. Because there was a perception difference and also we could see. And let me tell you our team did an extremely good job in six months time. And once we reached that level, then our global business managers start opening up new markets for us, and that’s where then you start competing, then you start offering. And what we have seen is that we cannot compete from European factories into certain markets wherein they’ve become very competitive, we’re able to easily compete on behalf of ABB in those markets. And that has again increased the calibration of ABB global into those markets, supply coming out of India. And once you have that base, the confidence level of our global leaders to give the allocations of the markets that is on the rise. Now we can see as ABB transformed this to the next level, we are getting mandate to connect to more and more markets. And I think that’s the reason where our comment comes from that we are at the starting curve of this journey, not in the middle, not in the upper curve. And of course, we will take very measured steps as we grow this business.”

So believe ABB India’s growth may come from exports and not just India’s markets.

Financials & Valuation:

As can be seen, 35% to 40% of ABB India is just the PG business which they are selling. The company is going to have a huge amount of cash post that.

Financials upto 2017 including the PG business:

Year	2017	2016	2015	2014	2013
Revenues (cr)	9208.29	8713.64	8153.31	7750.55	7728.98
Profits	419.95	376.25	299.88	228.51	179.31
EBITDA Margins	0.093	0.094	0.089	0.074	0.062
PAT Margins	0.045	0.043	0.037	0.029	0.023
Revenue Growth	0.057	0.069	0.052	0.003

Financials from 2017 excluding the PG business:

Year	2018	2017
Revenues (cr)	6774.13	6365.22
Profits	254.19	225.48
EBITDA Margins	0.080	0.077
PAT Margins	0.038	0.035
Revenue Growth	0.064

The margins in the new businesses are a bit lower but the management is confident that they will improve as these business keep scaling up. This is already observed in 9MCY19 as the revenues of new ABB are up by 18%, EBITDA is up by 44%, PBT is up by 87%, PAT is up by 90%. Its been a while since the company’s top-line has grown by double digits and at the same time, a huge improvement in margins.

Coming to valuations, Market Cap is 30000 crores.
TTM PAT including PG business is 579 crores => TTM P/E of 52.
TTM PAT excluding PG business is 366 crores => TTM P/E of 82 + Cash from sale of PG division.
But this may change drastically post Q4CY19 results as historically Q4 is the biggest for ABB.

Competitors involved in these businesses include Siemens and Honeywell which trade at a P/E of 49 and 61 respectively.

Risks / Questions:

How much cash is ABB India going to receive due to sale of Power Grids business? How is the company going to use this cash? Is it going to give out dividend or retain in its balance sheet?
Though we have divisional breakup of revenues, how do we obtain product level breakup of business to deepen our understanding?
Related Party Transactions with other subsidiaries.
Business diverted to unlisted subsidiary. But the management said during conf call that only the listed subsidiary is the commercial entity. The unlisted subsidiary is for global operations efficiency.
High receivable days of four months

Disclosures: No holdings. Not a buy / sell recommendation. Not a SEBI Registered Advisor. All information above is public and available in the internet. This post is only for educational purposes but reserve the right to take a position in ABB India in the future.

lingalarahul7 · November 23, 2019, 11:59am

More interesting videos on ABB.

Lot more available on YouTube but putting up the interesting ones here.

lingalarahul7 · January 9, 2020, 6:44pm

Original thesis was on the new initiatives taken by the company and de-merging power grids business into a separate company and give control to Hitachi.

Good to see that the power grids business is pro-active, when still under ABB management as it just signed an MoU with Ashok Leyland to supply Flash charging technology to its buses. FYI, Ashok Leyland is the fourth largest bus manufacturer in the world (and the largest in India).

Discl: Entered ABB on de-merger record date aka 23rd Dec 2019, so holding both the entities. Also own a good amount of Ashok Leyland. Pleasure to see both my shareholding companies collaborate with each other to create business value and sustainable future. This is not a buy / sell recommendation. Please do your own research or consult your financial advisor before buying or selling any of mentioned companies.

lingalarahul7 · February 11, 2020, 4:04am

Let me give quick update on ABB India.

De-merger record date was fixed to 23rd December but interesting to see there is no correction in price after that date. Does this mean that market was valuing the Power Grids business to 0?
Solar business is being sold to an Italian company at parent level. So Indian company is also selling the same and the listed subsidiary will receive cash for the same.
Exports of the Indian subsidiary is growing rapidly. I hope this is repeating the story of Honeywell Automation. Lots of Honeywell’s revenue growth has come through exports to its related parties and this has created a lot of wealth to its investors. Similar story may repeat here.
Government is strongly pushing for full electrification of railways in next few years. Hopefully this gets materialized.
EV charging business may take time to take off

Putting my conference call notes here.

Q2CY19:

If we compare Q2CY19 and Q2CY18 numbers, our orders are up by 23%, revenues are up 4%, PBT is up 61% and PAT is up 57% and if we compare H1CY19 and H1CY18 our orders are up 14%, revenue 11%, PBT 80% and PAT 76%.
We had other segments for example we supply drives and smart sensors for food chains, that also shows the diversity of the market segments we operate in. We had the solution supply for robotics palletization for edible oil company.
We have been rapidly diversifying ourselves into the non-automotive sector so that we ensure that the robotics business continues to stay on the growth path or sustains itself. We are seeing some very good traction in non-automotive sector in terms of absorption of robotics.
For the electrification division, it was a strong execution and growth orientation in Q2, orders grew 19%, revenues 14% and PBIT was up 24%.
For motion division. the orders were up 14%, revenues are up 9% and PBIT up 10%, we continue to see a very strong movement in this particular business.
On the robotics division, orders were down 16% relative to quarter two of the previous year. Because of the automotive sector, it certainly took a nosedive.
At the same time, our pipeline is healthy and we are diversifying into other segments like food and beverage, pharma segments wherein we are testing out certain applications for those segments. We find the uptake of robotics across these sectors is quite high and the interest is very, very high. And it is not only with the large players, we see that Tier-II, Tier-III customers are also showing very high interest in using robotics in their lines, as we go forward.
On the industrial automation side, we did see orders going up 15%, revenues were flat and PBIT was down. We are seeing the initial shoots of recovery in energy orders and metals, but still I think it is taking time for them to recover.
Our higher tax expense was more due to non-deductible on the MSME interest, which is as per law, we can do nothing but will really run out over year end. This is overall comments on the quarterly financial summary.
On solar, I think the board has accorded its in-principle approval for the sale. The subsequent actions are in progress at this point of time, so the income statements, we have provided includes solar, and other things, whereas we have held assets and liabilities of the solar, as asset held for sale.
Products form almost 75% of revenues, projects form just 10% to 12% and then the services form 15%.
Electrification products form almost 40% of our orders and revenues, and motion forms 25% to 30% of our reveneus and profitability as such. The contribution of IA has been constant that 20%, 21% and robotics form 4%.
What I would like to mention here, the higher the revenues and orders of electrification and motion, so I think that drives the profitability, because it’s more product based and naturally the capacity advantage is driving when they move moreover the breakeven.
We registered more than 30% of exports growth. This was more driven by PG. So on a half year basis, on the non-PG side we were 20% up and PG side we were more than 50% up.
PG has got a dedicated fleet of factory for its businesses; and Bangladesh and Sri Lanka provide adequate opportunity for the system orders. So I feel that PG will continue its growth strategy on the export side of it.
We will have our divisions like motion, industrial automation gearing up to provide more into the newer markets, would like to have a more share of exports in which they have improved quite drastically from the previous years.
Well, it is true that the solar segment per se is quite large. And now as we see in the market place, you are getting more concentrated players who are becoming active in that market. So in the case of solar, we are transferring this business to a company which is dedicated to solar business, which is Fimer of Italy.
And they will get all our assets in terms of the capabilities that we have built as a feeder factory in India, both people as well as the capabilities to continue to produce the equipment and the technology that we have. So we will transfer it all.
So it means in terms of serving the market that capacity will remain, and hopefully they will expand it going forward. But as far as ABB is concerned, we have decided to step out of solar inverter manufacturing business.
I have been always saying that solar revenues are around 7% to 9% of our total revenues (of continuing business) in the order mix and the margin is not so great, because we have challenges in the market as what we see, and that decision goes forward to the ultimate diversified.

Q3CY19:

What we see is that the govt is trying to make investments through PSUs and have pledged a capex of Rs 50000 crores through the PSUs. The govt has also relaxed the norms so that manufacturing expands in the country. So we will see how transmission of those policies take place over a period of time.
ABB has given a mandate that the Bangladesh market, which is almost $300 billion plus market, will be connected to ABB India. So we conducted some customer connect program in Dhaka and Chittagong in Bangladesh in the previous months.
Just to give you an example, if we have a big drive running a steel mill in the east part of the country, in a remote location, if anything happens to that equipment, typically the plant will invite our service specialists engineer to visit them. It takes one to one and a half days to get there to repair it. But now what we have is all these devices are getting connected online with us and we are sitting here in Bangalore and we are able to continuously monitor the behaviour as well as the health of those drivers. Not only that, if there is some kind of a trip or fault, our engineer is able to download or upload the diagnostic data immediately and is able to find the fault and sometimes within 15 minutes or half an hour we are able to guide the operator to bring the equipment back. So, it is a big productivity, reliability and availability boost for our customers.
We are seeing very good traction and application of robotics in non-automobile sector. Come next year, we will have some new investments being made in the robotics area, I think that will come to fruition. So this is a long-term view we have taken, we will keep on investing in this business and take a very solid and long-term, kind of a high level, position in this particular area.
We still run within cash position of Rs 1350 crores at the balance sheet level as of date.
I think it’s needless to say that Electrification and Motion will be the major divisions going forward with PG going away. They will form almost 65% to 68% of our orders or revenues, followed by IA and Robotics and Discrete Automation. So IA would be roughly around about 20% so that’s what is going to be the share of the business going forward.
So why 30% and why not 26% tax rate could be some of the questions, what you could be wondering because the govt has already reduced tax. We need to understand that ABB carries deferred tax assets, the deferred tax assets is assumed to give 35% of benefit going forward as to the earlier tax rate. But now going forward, it will only give collection of 26%, so it’s an impact of reevaluating the assets, which is a prudent accounting practice and that will be done over two quarters upto the financial year ending 2019 December. So that’s something because of which you could see a higher tax rate compared to the calculated tax rate, and that’s also visible in the consensus estimates as you walk forward in the slide.
As far as Robotics is concerned, I think the way we should understand this business is that the value is not in the hardware, the value is in the application and the domain expertise that we deliver to the customer.
From the electrification point of view, you would see most of the growth from segments like data centers, building, power distributions and metro. These are the sectors where we see a lot of investment happening and where we are putting our products.
As far as exports are concerned, I think if you have heard me in previous calls, I think its a journey which has just begun. And our competitive and very competent supply base is being recognized by our global business leaders. They are opening more and more markets.
But it is good from the global side as well as for us that we gradually open those markets. But it is good from the global side as well as for us that we gradually open those markets, one is to get used to supplying it to the external standards from India, and plus also get used to be able to service those customers.
With respect to margin realization, I believe that in the current market state Electrification and Motion are doing well, their growth rate is good. When their growth rate is good then their plant capacities are better utilized. When the plant capacities are better utilized, you have a better margin and a better realization of profits. In the Industrial Automation, it is a very value added business which is very export based business, so is the case with robotics. When you have the volumes slightly low, then naturally the utilization of the expert manpower and manhour is relatively low, you will see the effect of it. The moment the utilisation goes up, you will see the effect of those also into the profitability.
Margins should improve in IA once the exports part of it improves. The Indian market is very competitive in this space and hence margins are a bit lower in domestic side of the business and also due to lower utilizations.
For FDI to take place, I believe, this particular information goes through the global corporate houses, I’m sure. But it takes certain time for them to absorb and they don’t switch on the investment the next day the moment the taxes go down. I believe as the budgeting process takes place among the global organizations, this will be factored in. Also, how far they want to move away from this trade situation we have currently between US and China, whether India would be a strategic location, because India is a location where both high demand is possible and there is a possibility of a good supply of manpower and white collar, as well as the tax rates are good. So I think that combination should prompt many corporates to consider FDIs into the country.
As far as we are concerned, we are a very well established company. Definitely this case will also be considered by ABB in terms of what we want to expand for the domestic consumption as well as for the exports. But at this point in time, I think India poses a challenge on the demand side. I think if more FDI has to come to manufacture only for the demand side of the country, the demand must pick up in the country. I think that’s the precondition, because that will give the confidence for more investments to come. But whether India would be used as a supply side for the rest of the world, I think it will take few quarters before corporations would have taken a call on it.
Railways and transportation is not only served by Motion, it is also served by EL. It’s also an important segment for them. Also some part of it flows in Industrial Automation. Given these various channels into this particular sector, I think Railways is definitely an important segment for the total business profile of ABB. They contribute to more than 7% to 8% of our order or revenue.

Discl: Bought small position on record date of demerger. Not a buy / sell recommendation. Please consult your Investment Advisor before buying / selling this stock.

Nisa · April 3, 2020, 2:08pm

Effective Monday 30th March 2020, the Indian arm of ABB’s Power Grids business is listed on the BSE Limited and National Stock Exchange of India Limited

madhug · May 5, 2020, 9:23am

This looks like an issue with Screener.in. When I looked up on google finance, I see the share price has been adjusted.

Also, for those tracking, the latest investor presentation is quite informative

ABB Power Products and Systems India

ABB (Parent) Q1 2020 presentation

hnk_so · May 5, 2020, 10:29am

After demerger, which business is better to buy for better return? Kindly share your thoughts on future prospect of the business

madhug · May 11, 2020, 6:06pm

Can anyone help identify who this struggling competitor is in the Robotics and Motion segment? This came up during the last conference call, when an analyst brought this up and the management acknowledged.

madhug · May 16, 2020, 7:19pm

Notes from the latest results and conference call transcripts:

The order book grew by 10% compared to Q1 2019 and by 22% as compared to Q4 2019 (ABB follows Jan to Dec FY).
Seeing gradual reopening of the industry in the last 1 and half weeks
Had a smooth restart of operations and also supply chain
“looking into how the market is responding in terms of taking up the equipment they already ordered, which is in our backlog and how they are going to place new orders and how the cash and credit situation is emerging in the marketplace”
Robotics is exposed to the automotive industry and it is reflecting the slowdown in that industry. Focussing on cost rationalization in this business.
Learned a lot from Chinese and Italian operations (of ABB), assuming that these conditions will remain for many months to come
Post lock-down focus will go in the market segments, which are going to bounce back quickly and need the support from us
Had an exceptional item on profits on the sale of the solar business, also had an income tax refund
A certain percentage of customers may delay accepting the delivery of the equipment and some of them even may kind of postpone there. Our view is that majority of it will go and some of it might get affected, but not with a large percentage.
Will have a much clearer view of it by the end of May or mid of June as most of the customers open up
Demand environment
a) Electrification & Motion: These are products that go to the end-user, the EPCs, OEMs, channel partners, distributors, panel builders, integrators. Seeing good uptake by these market segments and also gaining market share.
b) Industrial Automation: Exposed to oil and gas, pulp and paper, cement, steel, metals - all these areas last year had a bit of soft demand, demand is still not that dominant as we like it
c) Robotics and Automation: Exposed primarily to auto and auto ancillaries which are seeing a slowdown. However, we have diversified into the new areas, be it in food and beverage, be it in many other packing and pharma areas. We are investing and not pulling it back.
Things will be difficult for the next 2 quarters, expecting green shoots in the Oct-Dec quarter
The last point was on moving products to India in the context of international businesses diversifying their supply chain. Instead of paraphrasing the text, I thought I will put the screenshots from the transcript so that the management intent and clarity is not distorted.

Breakdown of revenues and earnings (Source)

Kaustav_Talukdar · September 19, 2020, 1:25pm

Hi,

I work for an Oil & Gas PSU Major and have been using ABB’s Automation systems for quite a long time. Just wanted to chalk out some the experiences regarding M/s ABB India that I have encountered over the years.

M/s ABB India is turning into a giant OEM across verticals over the years. The main niche that lies within the company is its pricing power, they will always (most of the times) be the lowest bidder and generally provides satisfactory service as well. In the north eastern part of the country, ABB has taken a good hold of all automation services pertaining to SCADA, DCS, LDS across the main industries herein, which were previously dominated by other players such as Emerson, Honeywell etc. The same can be attributed to their bidding policy and the aggressiveness reading the same.They are quickly getting a strong foothold across the north east. They have developed an ecosystem in which you need to remain to avail any new technological advances. Interfacing with a third party generally becomes a hassle and they they always tend to push products citing future expansions.

Also, what I have observed is that they tend to provide training to the officials but, they don’t, completely open the book to you. You need to take some help from them anyway. A great company making affordable products and in India the lowest price always wins.

Somebody else sharing such experience with M/s ABB India Ltd. from other parts of the country would be insightful.

Disc: Not invested. Client of the company

HIMSHAH · September 19, 2020, 2:58pm

thanks do u have any idea about abb power(POWER INDIA) hived off division of abb ? please share that also

Investor_No_1 · September 19, 2020, 7:43pm

Well ideally pricing power would be ability to keep increasing prices without affecting sales. Here it is opposite and ability to do that means their true niche is R&D and price controls which enable them to make same products and provide same services at lowest costs and still maintain their margins (Assuming they maintain and have industry leading margins - inputs on this aspect welcome).

Rafi_Syed · July 30, 2021, 8:13am

A good analyst call with one of the fund houses

basumallick · April 15, 2022, 7:26am

ABB has worked across segments and geographies in India. 26 out of 29 states use ABB power distribution technology for efficiency, safety and reliability of power in their states. 20 smart cities deploy ABB’s technologies and significant energy is saved with ABB’s motors and drives.

They have installed AC/DC electric chargers across locations in India. As EV charging network is expanding, their partners are deploying ABB chargers across the country.

The company also mentioned that 13GW – wind energy projects have ABB’s technology and more than 90% of cement plants use ABB’s technologies.

ABB has a strong presence in automotive segment and 65% of cars in the country use ABB robots which have painted the cars.

60% of oil and gas projects are monitored by ABB’s SCADA systems. More than 300 electric locomotives are running on ABB traction motors

growell · May 10, 2022, 10:08am

INVESTOR MEET - Transcript

ap_nat · February 21, 2024, 12:56pm

hi

Noticed a trade volume of 46 lakhs for ABB india on 21st Feb 24, result was announced today, its parent in switzerland acquired a new company, but the volume still looks way too high.
Apart from some algorithmic trading trying to manipulate it, is there any other explanation.

The reason this volume looks very high is

no block/bulk deals that are reported yet
one third of all retail holding will need to be traded today for this quantity (given stock holding and stock count and assuming promoter/fii/dii will not sell other than in block/bulk deal,
detailed match)

detailed math
total stocks = market cap/stock price ~ 105k cr/5k ~ 21 cr ~ 20 cr
tradable holding (only retail) = 0.075 * 20 cr = 1.5 cr
total traded = 46 lakhs ~ 50 lakhs
so 50/150 ~ 1:3 retail shares were traded. Have not seen such volume actions before. Am I missing something. The math uses a lot of rounding to make it easier to follow. Am a noob so dont know enough about this, any info will be useful.

Thanks
Apurba

Hemanth_Kumar · March 6, 2024, 7:41am

Very good overview of the company and its future plans

GourabPaul · March 24, 2024, 2:45pm

ABB is a technology leader in electrification and automation, enabling a more sustainable and resource-efficient future. The company’s solutions connect engineering know-how and software to optimize how things are manufactured, moved, powered and operated.

Some of my assumptions are

Auto ancillary capex will remain high for next year as we are seeing a lot of supply chain shifts out of China, plus the demand in Indian markets are picking up drastically.
EMS capex will also remain high ( we import 5% of global EMS production and manufacture only 3% )
Infra / railways already have the tailwind
Renewables and datacenter capex is going on as usual. Renewables apparently take 7-8 times more electrical components compared to coal /gas based plants

I think ABB is best suited to benefit from some of the tailwinds ( but I am not able to gauge the upside. Chart was strong during the sell off days in march 2024 ). Their presence is across the segment and is winning orders in the datacenter, railways and electronics automation space. The float is also very low.

The 4 main verticals of the industry.

as per management 50% of the new orders are from the high growth segments, Moderate growth segments have lumpy orders and Low growth segments if order comes can be very large as they belong to heavy capex industry.
ABB benefits from India’s large shift to renewables which is probably a decadal tailwind.

Their revenue comes from projects, services and products, product orders are executed within 6 to 9 months and project orders can get executed anywhere between 12-18 months. As the execution of large orderbooks go, the demand for services might increase as a % of the overall revenue. Also exports as a % might also pick up as ABB India becomes more competitive vs global peers and the demand for grid rewiring / renewables pick up across the globe. However these will take anywhere between 3-5 years in my view.

This is one of my most favorite slide form their presentation where they show their products in high growth sunshine sectors such as datacenters and EMS manufacturing companies. We will see them get significant orders from these industries soon.

I think this slide shows their Order book and the backlog, expecting that orders too keep coming for FY 25 , as it takes them 12-18 months to execute their projects and 6-9 months to execute their products., I see their revenue almost doubling by FY25-26. A second optionality may occur if large orders come from the low growth but high capex intensive businesses like cements / mining etc. we will see a substantial jump.

Disclaimer - No holding in the stock, studying it.

ankit_tripathi · March 31, 2024, 2:24pm

From: Titagarh Rail Systems Feb Presentation

dd1474 · May 18, 2024, 8:12am

ABB India has growth of around 15% during March 2024 Quarter (1st quarter as it follow calender year as accounting year) as compared with parent company growth of only 5% during first quarter from India region. The parent company declared results before Indian subsidiary. Enclosed is link for Business standard article explaning substantial decline in ABB India share price following release of ABB Global result, which show 5% growth in India Region order.

However, ABB India results declared in May 2024 were much better growth in order book and substantial improvement in Sales and Net profit. In the presentation for March 2024 quarter, Indian management attemped to reconcile the difference in order book for ABB India (listed company) and ABB Global. Find enlosed slide as well as Management commentary discussing and explaining the variance. Personally I found it very interesting and keep on my record for future learning (while adpating Parent results and applying same to Indian Listed subsidiary. Thought to share on forum as may be interesting learning for all member.
ABB Global and India business Comparison Quarter May 2024 Presentation.pdf (495.3 KB)

Disclosure: ABB is among my Top 4 holding. My view may be positively biased. I am not a SEBI registered advisor. I am not suggesting any investment action. I may increase/decrease or exit from ABB India investment WITHOUT INFORMING the forum.