Q2 FY24 Concall Notes
Project Awards:
- 9 projects in Q2FY24; 14 in H1FY24.
- Notable projects:
- Commercial building in Gift City
- Astral Corporate House Phase III
- Expansion of a Chocolate Plant for a Multi-National Company
- Institutional and Industrial precast orders totaling Rs.42 crore.
Project Completion:
- Surat Smart City Development Command Center and Adani Group’s school completed.
Order Book & Projects:
- Order book: Rs.4,898 crore (as of Sept 30, 2023).
- Private projects: 48%, Government projects: 52%.
- 54 ongoing projects (83% in Gujarat, 17% in UP).
- 212 projects completed since inception (84% private, rest government).
Order Inflow:
- Q2: Rs.175 crore; H1: Rs.934 crore (excluding GST).
- Expected order inflow for FY24: nearly Rs.3,000 crore.
Recognitions:
- “Contractor of the year” for 500 Crore+ projects.
- “Excellence in Construction Sector” for “Development of Shri Kashi Vishwanath Dham”.
Financials (Q2FY24):
- Revenue from operations for the quarter is at Rs.607 crore vs Rs. 357 crore,
increased by 70 % YoY basis - EBITDA for the quarter is at Rs. 74 crore vs Rs. 39 crore, higher by 91% YoY
basis. - EBIDTA Margin is at 12.15% vs 10.83%.
- Net profit for the quarter is at Rs. 39 cr vs Rs.23 crore, higher by 71% YoY basis.
- PAT Margin is at 6.4% vs 6.3%.
Revenue Guidance and Projected Closure:
- Revenue guidance for FY24: Rs. 2,600 crores.
- On track to meet the guidance, with H2 historically heavier on revenue.
Project Level Updates:
- UP Projects: Revenue - Rs.268 crore in Q2; Rs.1,183 crore as of now.
- SMC administrative building: Revenue - Rs.122 crore.
- Dispute with Pandharpur: Arbitral Tribunal formed; preliminary hearing upcoming.
Future Prospects:
- Indian economy set to double in the next seven years.
- Infrastructure spend expected to double by 2030.
- PM Modi’s announcement for projects worth Rs.6,909 crore in Gujarat.
Bid Pipeline Overview:
- Bid Book: Rs.6,500 crores. (Excluding Delhi Railway Station)
- Notable Projects:
- AIIMS at Rewari: Rs.1,000 crore
- Museum Project, Madhya Pradesh: Rs.1,000 crore
- University Projects in Vadodara and Lucknow: Rs.775 crore and Rs.525 crore, respectively
- Dharoi Dam Pkg-2: Rs.421 crore
- Commercial Building in Delhi: Rs.350 crore
- Museum Project in Ahmedabad: Rs.400 crore
- Delhi Railway Station: Rs.4,800 crores (bid submission by month-end).
Project Timelines and Completion:
- UP Projects: Expected completion by March 2024.
- SMC Surat: Revenue in the second half similar to current quarter, progressing with structural work.
Capital Expenditure (CAPEX):
- CAPEX for the year: Already Rs.79 crores, with an additional requirement of around Rs.10-12 crores for SMC site.
Debt Reduction and Finance Costs:
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End of March 2024 Debt: Expected reduction, but not specified.
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Combined Long-term and Short-term Debt: Currently Rs.377 crores.
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Finance Cost: Anticipated to remain Rs.10-11 crores on a quarterly basis.
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Fixed Price Contracts Percentage:
- UP Projects: Mainly fixed price contracts.
- Other Projects: Most private projects have escalation clauses for cement, steel, finishing materials, and pass-on mechanisms.
- Projects like Surat follow escalation through RBI index.
Other Expenses and Run Rate:
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Recent Changes:
- Other expenses reduced in the quarter, with some reductions in consultancy expenses.
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Run Rate Expectation:
- Anticipated to be in the same run rate.
- Historical data indicates stability; last year’s other expenses were Rs.26 crores, and half-yearly it is Rs.13 crores.
Promoter Stake:
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Stake Changes:
- Promoter stake decreased from 70% to 66% on a year-on-year basis.
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Future Stake Plans:
- No further reduction in promoter stake expected as of now.
Precast Revenue:
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FY24 Guidance:
- Last year’s precast revenue: Approximately Rs.75-80 crores.
- FY24 Guidance: Estimated around Rs.225 crores.
UP Project Receivables:
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Total Receivables (as of September):
- Unbilled revenue for UP project: Around Rs.100 crores.
- Additional outstanding of Rs.50 crores from the previous month.
SMC Project Execution for FY24:
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Execution Outlook:
- SMC project currently in the structure stage.
- Anticipated pace: Similar to the current stage until March 2024.
- Expected revenue for FY24: Around Rs.140 - Rs.150 crores.
Investment in Precast Facility:
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Recent Expenses:
- Expansion at the mould level incurred expenses of Rs.14-Rs.15 crores.
- Investment primarily related to fulfilling requirements for the bullet train project from L&T.
- Additional shed constructed for infrastructure.
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Future Investment:
- No significant future investment expected in the precast facility.
- Current investments have addressed both mould and infrastructure requirements.
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Total Investment: Rs. 160 crores – Rs. 165 crores
- Initial Phase: Rs. 110 crores
- Subsequent Phases: Rs. 51 crores
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Phases Commissioned:
- All three phases confirmed operational.
Production Capacity Expansion:
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Increased Capacity:
- Initial: 1 million sq. ft.
- Current: 3 million sq. ft.
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Clarification on Measurement:
- Challenge in converting to sq. ft. due to mold variations.
- Presently focused on cubic meters of concrete daily.
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Future Clarity:
- Square feet clarity expected in residential or commercial building projects.
Debt and Working Capital Analysis:
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Gross Debt Projection:
- Expected to remain over Rs. 300 crores.
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Cash Conversion Days:
- Current: 42-43 days.
- Anticipated Reduction: Less than 40 days, nearing 30-35 days.
Order Inflow and Diversification:
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Order Book Overview:
- Rs. 6,500 crores without Delhi project.
- Includes substantial projects: Rs. 1,000 crores AIIMS Hospital, Rs. 1,000 crores Museum project, Rs. 775 crores University Project in Vadodara.
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Diversification Efforts:
- Confidence in reaching Rs. 3,000 crores order inflow.
- Ongoing bids exceeding Rs. 2,500 crores.
- Geographical Expansion: Emphasis on bidding outside Gujarat.
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Revenue Growth and Order Inflow:
- Annual revenue growth targeted at 15%-20%.
- Corresponding order inflow growth projection: 20%-25%.
- Confidence in maintaining revenue versus order inflow alignment.
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Success Rate Estimate:
- Anticipated success rate: 15% to 20%.
- Potential conversion from the present order bid book (Rs. 6,500 crores): Approximately Rs. 1,200 crores.
Bidding Strategy and Election Year:
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Thoughts on Bidding Strategy:
- Current bid pipeline: Rs. 6,500 crores plus Rs. 4,800 crores for Delhi project.
- Confidence in sustained bidding activity despite the upcoming election.
- No significant slowdown expected in bids from government or private sectors.
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Order Book Preparation:
- Present bid pipeline and Delhi project size total approximately Rs. 10,000 crores.
- Average bid pipeline consistently exceeding Rs. 6,000 crores.
- Anticipation of bids converting into the projected Rs. 3,000 crores despite potential election-related disturbances.
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Partnership for Delhi Project:
- Delhi project size surpasses our maximum bid capability of Rs. 2,500 crores.
- Likely partnership for the Delhi project due to the necessity of bridge-building expertise.
- Confirmation of a joint venture for the Delhi project.
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Ahmedabad Railway Station Project:
- Tender already opened and awarded to DRA.
- Our bid stood 3rd or 4th among 6.
- Not part of the current bid pipeline.
Precast Mould Utilization:
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Rail Project Mould Expenses:
- Expenses incurred on moulds for the rail project.
- Inquiry about the fungibility of these moulds after the rail project’s completion.
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Fungibility and Utilization:
- Materials produced for the bullet train project, such as ducts, can be repurposed.
- Ducts suitable for data, electrical, and drainage applications in road infrastructure.
Bidding Discipline and Market Competition:
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Bidding Scenario:
- Discussion on bidding discipline and competition intensity.
- Not always the L1 bidder, ranking 4th or 5th in some cases.
- Commitment to maintaining 11% to 13% margins despite competition.
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Market Dynamics:
- Acknowledgment of industry competition.
- Intent to avoid aggressive bidding and focus on maintaining margins.
- Capacity to handle multiple projects concurrently, avoiding unnecessary aggression.
Litigation and Arbitration:
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Litigation Update:
- Inquiry about the visibility of finalizing matters under litigation.
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Arbitration Process:
- Confirmation of arbitration process adherence to government norms.
- Anticipation of completion within 12 months for both ongoing arbitrations.
- Expectation of conversion into finalization within the specified timeframe.