GNFC - The big becoming bigger!

(adityaagarwal) #286

The new MD was earlier in charge of Gujarat Alkalies which has been a bigger turnaround as compared to GNFC. Moreover GNFC is debt free, operating with a negative working cycle (which may improve more favourably after weekly DBT) and has a monopoly/monopolistic position in many speciality chemicals it produces. The fertiliser segment may report a profit this quarter. Keeping all these in mind can we not cut the management some slack for atleast one quarter and have faith in them.


(hemtan100) #287

GNFC’s cash from Ops for FY18 stood at 1818cr vs 1445cr in FY17.
Current Mcap at 6000cr.
Of course, this CFO may not be replicable in FY19 but in the absence of LT borrowings, this would still mean substantial FCF generation.

(hemtan100) #288

any idea what’s the current TDI price trending at? Used to get this info handily from Sheela Foam’s website but that hasn’t been updated since mid-July.

(suhagpatel) #289

Rs. 250/Kg is the current price. Sheela has Rs. 255/Kg updated in July.


(suhagpatel) #290

Falling TDI prices is a concern. However, GNFC continues to excel in its day to day operations.


(suhagpatel) #291

After WNA & TDI, GNFC comes up with highest ever daily sales of Aniline. GNFC is the only producer of Aniline in India.


(vaibhav choudhary) #292

Hi guys,
I went to GNFC AGM. i have been tracking the company since past 3 months.

So i was excited hoping i would get an advantage of a guidance towards future outlook for TDI.
couple of investors including me asked about the price trend and demand going forwards in TDI, But the management did’nt gave any guidance. Infact according to management fertilizer segment pain will be there in future. in TDI they said they’re very small infront of players like BASF. they are planning capex in formic acid and acetic acid plants.

I think the newly apointed MD will take time to settle.

Can anyone tell me where do they source Natural Gas from ?

(suhagpatel) #293

Almost all your questions are covered in the thread. You need to go through it to get the answers. Management never gives guidance on any chemicals.

As far as TDI prices are concerned, the trend is clearly on the downside. TDI prices peaked at 335/Kg around Feb-March and from there on its a downwards journey till the current levels and its expected to go down even further.


(vaibhav choudhary) #294

i’ve gone through thread quite a few time. just want to know if you have information on Natural gas they procure and crude dervatives. so that we get the idea of the Cost structure

(Aditya Mehta) #295

(suhagpatel) #296

While TDI market is weak, Acetic Acid is constantly trading at multi years high. Lets see how much other chemicals are able to make up for TDI.

Current TDI price is Rs. 230/kg in domestic market. Almost a 33% correction from the peak price of Rs. 335/Kg.

Acetic Acid price source -


(jajushobhit) #297

Strong numbers posted by the company

  • Revenue increase of ~10% in Q2 on a yoy basis

  • The EBITDA margin for Q2 FY19 is 22.6% vs 21.2% in Q2FY18

  • Fertilizers segment has posted EBIT profits

  • Despite the TDI prices peaking out, the performance chemicals business has come in strong

  • Overall a ~78% increase in profits on a yoy basis

  • The FCF for H1FY19 (as per my rough calculation) is ~ Rs. 600 cr


(suhagpatel) #299

@bharat19 Rs. 127 Cr was written off in June quarter not current quarter. I am not a P&L expert so won’t comment on that part.

@jajushobhit results are achieved despite TDI being at the lowest level in last 12 months. Chemical EBIT has fallen (QoQ) for obvious reasons. Fertilizer EBIT turning positive has helped. Also, falling rupee must have helped to a great extent to their exports.

PAT is supported by NIL interest expenses.

It would be interesting to see which non-TDI chemical segment is supporting the growth. They did not do any concall last quarter due to management change. Hopefully the new MD will come forward and provide guidance on future outlooks, progress on the capex plans etc.

Overall GNFC continues to do well.


(suhagpatel) #300

Did anyone got a chance to attend Concall of Sheela foam? What is their outlook on TDI Prices? TDI has been stable or slightly up in China in last one week.

Acetic acid prices have been crashing from recent top. Current price close to Rs. 4450. Recent peak around Rs. 5100.


(Yogansh) #301

Hi All,

Came across this press release from BASF, hope it helps.

Yogansh Jeswani
Disclosure: Invested

(suhagpatel) #302

Thanks. Chinese markets are more or less stable for TDI currently with small uptick. Domestically Sheela Foam said in their Concall that TDI is as low as Rs. 200/Kg which is around 33% lower than the all time high of Rs. 335/Kg seen in Feb-Apr 2018.

Acetica acid prices have also crashed from the peak of 5100 to 4200.

One concern for me personally is new management is not coming forward to share details. Its been 2 Qs since the new MD took over but company is not doing any results concall the way it used to happen during Mr. Gupta’s tenure. There is no clarity on the current status of planned capex as well.


(Ayush Mittal) #303

As mentioned in above threads, TDI prices have come down sharply from highs:

At the same time, I understand that raw material prices have also come down sharply.

Overall, as increase in TDI prices was the key driver hence market continues to give a very low PE. Perhaps one will get a better picture on margins post this quarter.


(suhagpatel) #304

China TDI prices down on higher supply and lower consumption. Supply is set to grow once operations at China’s Wanhua plant stabilizes.

Stock is settling down between 330-375.


(Harsh04) #305

I understand about 65% of GNFC’s revenue are from Chemical operations.

I wanted to know a break-up of the revenue per chemical (atleast the major ones that are talked about - TDI, Methanol, Formic acid etc), but i am not able to get it anywhere.

I observed that even in concall, management refused to divulge these details, just wondering why so ?

(arpitjain512) #306