Amit's portfolio - 2018 to 2020, comments invited


(MHS) #22

Some of the names in this list are world class businesses run by most reputed people in their respective fields and market pays top dollar to these companies.
Rather than fixing some price to buy these try to find y and how these business reached here and getting these valuations.
May be find what is the average valuations for last 3, 5 or 10 years basis and buy them on some bad news flow like Nestle Maggie fiasco, Divis lab FDA alert or Maruti Suzuki strike some years back, some IT raid or some news flow presently on Primal enterprises , where these tend to trade at lower valuations or if u have patience wait for a 2008 meltdown.

Analogy: some thing like this: u very rarely get IIT / IIM grade passouts at lower salaries y becos there is some one in the “MARKET” who is willing to pay top dollar to these guys, y becos these people reached here by lot of hard work/process or of their intellect and they out performed their piers.


(skg) #23

Hi @MHS Thanks for your feedback. I agree that these are very good business and it is very difficult to buy them at lower prices. I am trying to find other companies too like Deep Industries, Dilip buildcon, Nitin spinners. But I am not confident on these companies specially Deep Industries and Nitin spinners.Probably I am new to market and value investing. Financial looks good for these companies. I have prepared below matrix for these 3-4 companies by looking at screener.in. But couldn’t get high conviction to buy them. I dont know whether it will come through time or not.


(MHS) #24

@kumars1672

First try to understand the business rather than valuation, what they are making, to whom they are serving, is it a commodity business or a brand or any thing u can relate to it in your day to day life or in your knowledge( aka one upon wall street - peter lynch way). Slowly u will understand businesses their business models.

Practical Examples:

  1. I as a person dont like to doing government job after i passed with Engg. degree and never applied for any, for what ever be the reasons. Then when i started investing i was referring to some PSU companies and checking about their businesses and brought some, then one fine day i realized that how can i put my hard earned money in a business when i dont even want to work. So I avoid all businesses where Govt. is owner or Govt regulation is there why becos public changes the Govt every 5 years/ Minister changes every 2 to 4 years/ Management/CEO/MD every couple of years before retirement.
    Look at where is SBI and HDFC bank when they started and where they are now - How many COEs SBI changed during the period of Aditya Puri tenure and how many govt also changed.
  2. I dont like to take bedt/loan and wants to live without that burden/stress so obviously avoid all companies who earning this way like banks, finance companies and pay more interest having very high debt companies.
  3. I dont drink and smoke so avoid all these type of companies y becos i do not show /have interest to know more about these businesses.
  4. I like to pay more for brands for their Quality and able management so started buying brand companies for example Bullet, i used to admire this bike as a kid and then came to know about Eicher and its doing very well and brought slowly 2 years back even though its expensive.

Try to find companies what u as a person like,u r interested/hobby/competitive knowledge/understanding, or very simple business to understand and filter companies which u can avoid and check business opportunity how big is the pie, then run by able management and then the valuations.

One filter to start with:Check & understand what is ROE & ROCE, (why some companies having high, Minimum 15 to 20% and why some less may be it is a commodity business) of companies with no debt or less or manageable debt (Debt/Equity ratio around 0.5) and slowing understand the business model / products / management walking the talk, skin in the game / how much money they are paying as dividend/ paying taxes/ how much re-investing in business.

Another filter is Try to find out companies hitting 52 weeks high and life time high and find out if all the companies in that sector also doing the same, (recently Chemical companies and Graphite Elctrode companies, couple of years back Textile companies,) this will help to identify sectors which are growing and in them find sector leaders with able management - The Thoughtful Investor.

The one sentence that changed my thinking about buying/paying more for high value companies is “40 PE companies with 40% growth”, Now market is willing and ready to pay 80 PE also for these…Dmart, Page…as along as growth is there…

Hope this helps…


(skg) #25

Hi @MHS Many thanks for the detailed explanation. It is really useful information. I totally agree with your points that we should try to understand the business first before looking at the price. I think reading annual report might be the first point to understand the business and then go through the news of the company. Probably it will some time in order to get knowledge built around some businesses. In the mean time, I am also reading few books and expert thoughts on this forum just to get idea of how other people are thinking about business.