Snowman Logistics

Q1FY23 Concall Notes

  • Primary Businesses: Warehousing (Cold + Dry WH) + Transportation business (incl. Snowlink)
  • Pallets: 130k (Utilisation=89%): so pallets used = 115.7
  • Net debt: 90cr
  • Capex plans:
    - 75-100cr (internal + loan both)
  • Kolkata cold WH:
    - land approval done
    - awaiting buildiong plan aproval from government
    - Phase I: 5k pallets
    - Phase II: 4k pallets
  • New plant: Siliguri- current utilisation at 35% expects to touch 75% by october
  • Growth in the current quarter YoY
    • Warehousing : +15%; (Margins: 35%)
    • Transportation: + 61%; (Margins: 4%)
    • ASP: +6%
    • Overall Margins: 24%
  • QSR Sector has shown a growth of 30-35%

  • Warehousing
    • Change of strategy
      • increased demand for Dry warehousing (currently 15% of revenue) from food and pharma; growing fast and is a customer pull product
      • hence, added 7-8k pallets in dry warehousing via leasing hence asset light
      • Cold WH: Kolkata WH plans on full swing
    • Offer end-to-end solution
      • except manufacturing and selling everything managed by Snowman
      • ie become like a national distributor for them
  • Transportation Business
    • Reefer Vehicles: 249
      • 82 dedicated vehicles
      • 150 available on need basis
    • the latter two are availble via snowlink
      • asset light
      • as do not have to manage drivers, maintainence, fuel etc
      • hence margins are largely protected
    • so total 480 available
    • Snowlink Revenue:
      • 16 cr (last year 6cr); huge potential to grow
      • An aggregator service for cold chain vehicles
  • Snowserve (Dedicated WH)
    • Amazon and Fraazo currently
    • Contracts: 3-9 years
    • 4 cities:
      • Delhi, Mumbai, Ahemdabad, Pune
    • this business can grow 25% yoy

Summary:

Asset heavy business in a largely unorganised sector.
Trying to improve business economics by multiple initiatives eg growing dry WH business on a lease basis thereby decreasing capes requirements, not expanding fleet rather decreasing it and going asset light by creating an aggregator platform. Also, can be a beneficiary of grocery deliveries by e-commerce players. Execution risks, macro risks and risk from competition/startup space present

Discl: Small Position; tracking

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In addition to this they will be adding Dry Warehouses on leases and continue its asset-light approach.

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PFB recent research report on SNLL. The company is well poised in most of the aspects. However, the upcoming economic slowdown will definitely impact growth aspects.

Based on their financial statements, I see some pros and cons (not repeating things in research reports):

Pros:

  • Their debt is manageable at DE ratio of 0.3
  • Operating profit margin is constant at 24% (can see pressures going forward).
  • The net profit margin (which is close to zero now) has the potential of reverting to pre-2017 levels of above 9%.
  • Have taken steps to scale business in asset light model.
  • Could greatly benefit from infra investment by govt.

Cautions:

  • Very capital intensive business. This will have an impact when liquidity becomes tight.
  • Their equity part in balance sheet did not grow since 2015. In fact, if we look at inflation adjusted growth, it is actually negative. This is a bit of concern. Got to dig into the cash flows to understand what is happening there.

This would turn out to be a great sectoral play if the management has good capital allocation skills. For now, the results are shown only in revenue growth. Yet to see improvements on other aspects.

My expectation is that the stock will be under selling pressure till we see bottomline improvements. Both PE and PB are not moving as of now.

Disc: Have a monthly SIP on this to accumulate slowly.

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In Venky’s AR, they mention about need for cold storage facilities. A good case for Snowman and the market opportunity that is still untapped.

Disc: Invested

Hi,
I now see good scope of snowman…
Logic - Promoter increaaing stake… And retailers decreasing… Results are also coming good…

Disclosure - 5% pf position…

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Promoters still buying.
With RoE = 2.6 and PE > 75 now, I think the stock is highly overvalued…
The Div Payout is expected - but why does this stock have so much of run off ?

Discl - invested and enjoying the ride, with a worry of price running ahead of valuations …

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Promoters constantly buying. Confused about the valuations since promoters know the actual value of the business. Since they’re buying constantly at upper and at every fall (as noticed).

What does that mean? Are they too optismitic of the business? Confidence or over confidence?
Can they also participate in selling once stock become highly over valued.

Confused in forming an opinion.

Disc - Tracking and holding Gateway Distripark.

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In the last concall (Q3), mgmt has given a guidance of 1k Cr sales by FY 26, which means the EPS can be alteast expected to be doubled … I believe this will be the bookish case of PE contraction where by the Sales / EPS Growth will rise however the price will stay in this range …

My biggest worry is ROE in this company & the dividend payout ratio… the company is paying out all it’s profits and not re-investing and mgmt has somewhere in the past also affirmed that they will continue with the dividend policy which “might” be one of the reasons for promoters buying …
The continued payout increases the PE ratio, promoters buying sustains the price level and ROE struggles as EPS doesn’t grow as the earnings are not ploughed back into the business for growth…

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Exited the stock. stocks with good earnings and fair valuations will survive through the upcoming events.

ChatGPT

You said:
Why is snow man logistics buying share
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Snowman Logistics is currently experiencing leadership changes, which is likely influencing its share activity. The company announced the resignation of CEO Sunil Prabhakaran Nair, effective November 2024, though he will remain a consultant afterward. This leadership shift might be prompting market interest or uncertainty, as Padamdeep Singh Handa will take over as CEO starting December 2024. Additionally, Snowman Logistics has been performing well recently, with its stock up by over 35% this year, driven by growth in the cold chain logistics sector, despite a dip in net profits in Q1 FY25(
MoneyControl
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).

These factors—leadership changes and mixed financial results—could be leading to strategic share purchases in the company.

You said:
Give background of padamdeep
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Padamdeep Singh Handa, who will become the CEO of Snowman Logistics on December 1, 2024, has extensive experience in the logistics and supply chain industry. He holds a Master’s in Business Administration and has over 15 years of professional experience. His expertise spans key areas such as cold chain logistics, exports, imports, transportation, and customs handling. Handa has been with Snowman Logistics for seven years, most recently serving as the Chief Commercial Officer, where he led the company’s sales, marketing, and operational functions(
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Past position in companies
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Padamdeep Singh Handa has extensive experience in leadership roles across various sectors. He is currently the Whole-Time Director and Chief Executive Officer (CEO) of Snowman Logistics, effective from December 1, 2024. Prior to this, he has held significant positions in several prominent companies. These include being a senior executive at Future Retail, where he worked in supply chain management and logistics. He also has a strong background in retail, warehousing, and distribution, which aligns well with his current role at Snowman Logistics.

His appointment follows his expertise in driving logistics and operational efficiency, particularly within industries requiring sophisticated supply chain management(
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Intresting artificial intelligence is progressing well but still lot more to learn

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I’ve been wanting to get to Snowman ever since the tax cuts were announced by the govt in this budget but have been price anchored to certain levels. Lucked out big time to see this stock drop to said levels.

List of criticisms levelled against the co:

  • Hasn’t lived up to the hype in terms of reaching significant scale
  • Failed sale to an indiscrimate buyer like Adani - is this so rotten that even Adani refused to buy it?
  • Dead money - Stock is trading near 2014 IPO price of 47 per share and Adani’s open offer price of 44 per share in December 2019
  • External CFO resignation within 5 days of appointment in 2022, replaced by someone promoted internally
  • IT raids around the above event
  • Disappointing growth and capacity expansion despite being proxies for hot high growth sectors - did/does the management not care
  • High capital intensity, low ROE
  • Seemingly high churn in key management personnel
  • Despair/general lack of interest in the stock - retail shareholder count/retail holding as a % of TSO at 80% of Mar 2021 levels i.e. the levels where Adani unloaded after the failed open offer, lack of discussion in this forum since that point despite significant business developments - positive and negative

The claims seem superficial and melt away on closer examination

(I’m just trying to fit a narrative to the numbers and I do not have access to the management so I could be off(even by a lot).)

Examining the human capital aspect:

Name Designation Appointment Start Date/Year Salary During Appointment Year (INR) End Date/Year Salary During End Year (INR) Resume
Ravi Kannan CEO & Wholetime Director February 15, 2007 12,174,916 (FY 2014-2015) February 2, 2016 77,82,930 (FY 2015-2016) B.Com and Masters in Computer Science, 56 years old in 2015, Previous Employer: Jeena and Company Private Limited, 20+ years experience, Designation at previous employment: Country Head, Supply Chain Division.
A M Sundar Chief Financial Officer & Company Secretary Not explicitly stated in 2015 74,18,028 (FY 2014-2015) July 31, 2022
Kannan S Chief Financial Officer August 1, 2022 (FY 2022-2023) August 6, 2022 (FY 2022-2023)
Pradeep Kumar Dubey Wholetime Director & COO/CEO February 10, 2016 8,31,874 (FY 2015-2016) November 9, 2016 26,57,000 (FY 2016-2017)
Sunil Prabhakaran Nair Wholetime Director & CEO December 1, 2016 32,52,000 (FY 2016-2017) Currently in role 1,80,00,000 (FY 2023-2024) M.Com., MBA., 46 years old in 2017, Previous Employer: Coldex Logistics Private Limited, 25 years experience in 2017, Designation at previous employment: Chief Executive Officer, 28+ years experience in 20225, 30 years experience in 2023.
N Balakrishna Chief Financial Officer January 24, 2023 (FY 2022-2023) Currently in role (FY 2023-2024)

Sunil Nair has vacated his position recently and his replacement has been an internal promotion.

FY Headcount (End of FY) YoY Headcount Growth (%) Median Change in Remuneration (%)
2014-15 408 N/A 2.48%
2015-16 401 -1.72% -2.55%
2016-17 362 -9.73% -2.55%
2017-18 394 8.84% 9.95%
2018-19 399 1.27% 6.74%
2019-20 411 3.01% 7.43%
2020-21 424 3.16% 0.00%
2021-22 451 6.37% 6.36%
2022-23 480 6.43% 17.00%
2023-24 507 5.63% 4.00%

Takeaways:

It appears as though a growth-oriented CEO was hired before/during IPO after which the economic slowdown led to him no longer being suited for the role. Headcount rationalisation took place around that period.

Under Sunil Nair, the company’s performance hadn’t picked up meaningfully(same for shareholder returns). However, he continued to line his pockets significantly

Sunil Nair’s resignation letter sounds like a firing/mutual parting of ways

The 5-day CFO isn’t a red flag since
a. the person had been defacto CFO for months before officially taking over
b. he hasn’t taken up another job post the resignation so this isn’t a poor reflection of the company
[CFO’s LinkedIn]
He was succeeding a tenured CFO who had retired.

There doesn’t seem to be any major alarms in the financials either:
no shady related party txns, no egregious salaries, no old receivables or large provisions/writeoffs historically. No alarming cont liab. Can’t find counts of fraud too

The IT raid in 2022 didn’t amount to anything meaningful

auditor expense spiked in FY22-24 from 17 to 34 to 43 but that is due to the newly added 5PL biz


So, overall, The organisation just seems to have been stuck in mediocrity with apathetic management during this period from 2016-2022. The blame entirely isn’t on them though

Adani Ports’ presentation on Snowman’s acquisition is very revealing and indicative of the same.

Business developments:

The failed sale to Adani seems to be due to covid related uncertainties since the fit seemed to be pretty good for Adani.,

Business growth has been subdued

FY Pallet Capacity YoY Growth in Capacity (%) Capacity Utilisation (%)
2014-15 85,500 N/A 92% (as of March 2015)
2015-16 98,500 15.21% 74%
2016-17 103,600 5.18% 64%
2017-18 106,964 3.25% 72%
2018-19 104,343 -2.45% 86%
2019-20 105,228 0.85% Data not available
2020-21 107,450 2.11% Data not available
2021-22 117,526 9.38% 89%
2022-23 135,552 15.34% 89%
2023-24 141,405 4.32% 91%

Capacity addition and growth has been pretty abysmal. So has the revenue per pallet

Current 141k capacity is short of Adani’s targeted 200k

Snowman’s business mix has been underwhelming leading to lower yields


But the market itself was pretty small


with Snowman holding their market share till now

Management claimms that online retail demand is volatile so it could lead to oversupply in warehouse capacity if the expansion is not done in a calibrated fashion.
While Snowman grew capacity from 104k to 141k, the second largest player Coldman expanded capacity at a much slower pace from 66k to 85k pallets

Some of the cost optimisation strategies like reducing empty backhaul runs could naturally happen as the scale increases

Things have been slowly getting better.

  • Yield during Q1FY23 was INR 1521, which is higher than that of 2017
  • Utilisation has been consistently higher
  • Transportation division turned and has stayed profitable since FY23(partly due to 5PL)
  • shift to a less upfront capital intensive model
    From FY24 AR: opened an advanced multi temperature-controlled facility in Guwahati, Assam. This facility, our first fully leased cold storage unit, has a capacity of 5,152 pallets, bringing our total pallet capacity to 1,41,405 and reinforcing our shift towards an asset-light model
  • India’s percapita income inching up over the years led to brands wanting to enter India(along with the ecom/qcom boom) and requesting end-to-end solutions from players like Snowman (this demand has been mentioned in coldman’s credit reports too) etc

So, Snowman Logistics has introduced a Fifth-Party Logistics (5PL) business division, This makes them the first Indian company to offer 5PL services in the cold chain logistics and supply chain management sector.

Business Models:

  • Snowman’s 5PL services operate under the brand SnowDistribute
    It provides comprehensive end-to-end supply chain management solutions, optimizing efficiency and reducing costs for clients
    This includes services from sourcing to distribution, covering vendor development, quality audits, inventory procurement, and selling to potential customers as a sourcing partner23.
    SnowDistribute leverages technologies to drive highly efficient networks, guaranteeing the best optimization of every step of the supply chain
    It involves sourcing services and securing the best contracts for client companies
    Snowman takes on more responsibilities from the customer’s supply chain team.
    The gross margin for the 5PL business is expected to be around 10%, with a net margin of around 4% to 5%
    The business model aims to optimize warehousing and transport resources
    It involves back-to-back arrangements where procurement is done against customer projections, mitigating the risk of over-inventory and expiry in food products.

Target Customers:

  • The initial focus is on e-commerce companies with no physical store space.
    Snowman is also targeting existing 3PL customers to transition them to 5PL services
    New brands and Quick Service Restaurants (QSRs) entering India are a significant target, as Snowman can offer them a full package of cold storage and distribution
    Examples of current 5PL clients include IKEA, Baskin Robbins, and Tim Hortons
    The company is engaging with potential customers who value the value-add offered by this model

Future Prospects:

  • Snowman views the 5PL division as having huge potential and expects it to become one of its biggest segments in the coming years
    The company anticipates a significant revenue growth (around 15% to 20%) due to the addition of the 5PL business
    The scalability of this opportunity is considered very big, as Snowman is indirectly becoming a complete food service distribution company, following a model similar to Sysco Corp
    The growth will come from increasing the basket of supplies for existing 5PL customers, adding new locations for these customers, and onboarding new clients
    Snowman aims to leverage its existing 3PL customer base and convert them to 5PL arrangements
    The company expects to grow along with new chains entering India, offering them a full package of services
    The increasing share of the 5PL business is expected to significantly improve Snowman’s Return on Capital Employed (ROCE) due to the low capital deployment (primarily working capital for inventory)
    Snowman foresees its transition from a pure warehousing and transportation company to a food services or food distribution company in the future
    The company aims to continue focusing on SnowLink for deeper integration with customers by offering most distribution solutions
    Snowman anticipates reaching a revenue of Rs. 800 crores to Rs. 900 crores by the end of FY27, primarily driven by the SnowDistribute (5PL) business

Competitive Advantage:

  • Snowman is the first company in India to introduce 5PL in the cold chain logistics and SCM sector, giving them a first-mover advantage
    They offer a single platform for a full range of services, unlike pure cold chain suppliers or distributors
    Their existing large client base in 3PL provides a readily available market for 5PL services
    Some of their existing clients are suppliers to other clients within Snowman’s network, creating a unique synergy
    Snowman’s strong foundation in warehousing and transportation forms the base for the additional 5PL services
    Their ability to offer an integrated solution is a key differentiator, especially for new market entrants who would already be speaking to them for cold storage
    Snowman’s 5PL offering provides better integration and allows clients to offload more responsibilities from their supply chain teams

This has become a growth driver and the promoters started buying 5% of the company in FY23 and FY24(and haven’t ruled out further acquisition)
Cost basis for this acquisition is 55.47 per share with the last buy at 75.4

The income tax cuts in the current Union Budget can only supercharge the growth. QSRs have posted strong updates/recovery this quarter making this the most opportune moment to enter and participate in one of the most attractive proxies to the percapita income story

5PL seems to have attracted famous fund managers like Kenneth Andrade(via MIT) and Shyam Sekhar of ithoughtpms(the latter has doubled down in the March 2025 quarter, probably post budget announcement)

The snow seems to have cleared out; clearer road ahead?

Disc:
invested, pushback invited
assisted by AI. There might be a couple of minor factually incorrect numbers I might have overlooked while verifying. Kindly DYODD. NFA

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₹31.77cr income tax disputes settled at just ₹6173 under the Vivad Se Vishwas scheme to amicably settle tax disputes

(That’s 36% of FY24’s operating cashflow saved lol)

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Were they looking to sell the company? Is that the reason they gradually increased their share and stopped exactly at 50.01%? They were buying at 65-70 range but didn’t increase any further even though it came around 45.

Don’t think they explicitly conveyed intent to sell after the failed Adani sale.

For what it’s worth, when the IT raid and the 5 day CFO thing happened in real time in 2022, I thought they were trying to fudge the numbers to force a sale once more.

Subsequent events have clearly proven that hypothesis wrong.

They stopped at 50.01 because every financial year, a company’s promoters can only buy 5% of total shares outstanding without triggering an open offer.

That’s why they stopped at 5% in FY24 and 5% in FY25 taking the stake from 40% to 50% despite getting much lower prices post December.

Now that snowman’s financials are consolidated within Gateway, this could have been a target milestone but Gateway’s management hasn’t ruled out anything completely. They claim that it’s all contingent on Gateway’s cashflows, strategic priorities and business circumstances.

Once 4QFY25 results for snowman are out, the window for buying opens and they have a 5% room in FY26.

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