Isn’t there a notice period for resignations at this level?
Anyway, looks like LIC and CRISIL still hold around 10% and 9% stake approximately. Hope they will find a good replacement quickly.
Isn’t there a notice period for resignations at this level?
Another average set of results from the company. The ratings revenue grew at ~4% which slower than both ICRA (8%) and CRISIL (7%). Additionally, there is churn at mid to senior management level. Shareholders were very agitated on management’s response to buyback, plus no specific reason was given for departure of Ajay Mahajan. Concall notes below.
- FY22 ratings revenue growth: 1% reported but higher at 4% on a likewise comparison as last year had a write back of provisions (CARE), 8% (ICRA), 7% (CRISIL)
- 4% ratings growth was largely due to new business rated
- Sri Lanka: CARE Risk has on-going projects in Sri Lanka which is suffering from non-remittance of funds from Sri Lanka for which company has provided for. Amount should be realized as its for public sector banks in Sri Lanka (total exposure: 9.46 cr.). Adjusting for provisions, exposure is 2.36 cr.
- Capital infusion for business diversification: 33.5 cr. in CARE Risk Solutions and 10 cr. in CARE Advisory Research & Training (CART)
- CART has started providing ESG research to AMCs
- Capex cycle revival has been on hold now after Russia Ukraine crisis as corporates have put some capex plans on hold
- 40-45% growth in advisory business (on a small base)
- ESOP charge: 6.29 cr. in FY22 vs 3.56 cr. in FY21
- High amount of attrition in mid to high level management
Disclosure: Invested (position size here, no transactions in last-30 days)
The fact is CARE is relatively weaker then ICRA and CRISIL . The only adv they had in past is low cost structure ( which enabled lower pricing ) , which was destroyed in last 2 management changes who tried to make CARE like ICRA and CRISIL … which was stupid
All Indian corporates need two credit rating for CPs etc … they will take one from Premium agency and one from so so agency … The so so agency needs to keep cost down so that it can do rating for max corporates …
It may be speculative but I think there is chance all these movements are to ensure Rajesh Mokashi ( ex MD ) is back at the helm … post the following judgement
I am sure now that the exit of Mr Mahajan was not on good terms. I am still a holder in my smallcase portfolio [https://simpleinvesting.smallcase.com/] but things are not looking great.
Its a marginal value play here. On the conference call, many investors expressed anger at sitting on the cash pile and doing nothing. The silence of the board is also surprising there.
Hi All, I am new to the forum. Have been researching CARE and ICRA for a while. Though both are almost in the same earnings range. ICRA have an upper hand due to its Moody’s parent strength… CARE on other hand trading cheap.
3 decades back foreign banks were dominating India for people who look for premium service and for people who look for additional services more than savings and loan… Slowly Indian banks like HDFC, ICICI learned the know how and attracted the accounts from foreign banks by providing elite services to customers… Now Citi once the bank for elite and rich Indians is closing its business in India…
Will CARE also evolve in upcoming years to become a strong competitors for foreign owned rating agencies? Being CARE is the only india owned rating agency, Indian government will not let them fail.
Any competitive edge CARE is having to complete ICRA and CRISIL?
Disc: Holding both ICRA and CARE with very limited allocation. Wanna close one position and keep only one for long time dividend income…
Thanks in advance members
Company announces board meeting to consider buyback. Finally it seems board is hearing to shareholder suggestions. Lets see what comes out this board meeting.
Disclosure: Invested (position size here, no transactions in last-30 days)
While care has announced buyback, the offer seems not so great. I personally feel company is more valuable than the price offered. It does provide an exit for investors fed up with the management. At the mentioned price, they’re buying back 23.68L shares out of 2.96Cr shares outstanding.It forms 8% of the company. So at 75Cr TTM profit and 2.7232Cr shares remaining after buyback, the EPS will be 27.5 and even at the price of 500/Share, it’ll be valued at 18.5X of it’s historic lows in earnings which is seen in this year.
To sum it up, the buyback price is providing an exit for investors fed up with management although the price is not attractive enough to sell your holdings if you are a value investor, especially considering increased value per share after buyback and I feel management has succeeded in disappointing its investors once again. It makes no sense for investors to consider selling at 515 as many investors have bought the company at price much higher than that.
Why buy something for more when it’s available for less. Tender offers at a premium benefits exiting shareholders and not existing shareholders.
Buybacks increase the ownership of shareholders who don’t participate in the buyback. If a company buys back at lower price, the company is using less money to buy same amount of shares than at higher prices. A value investor invested in the company is benefited when the company reduces the number of outstanding shares and increases the future earnings per share and dividends per share. A value investor is benefited when X+Y shares are bought back at Z price instead of only X shares bought back at Z price.
Take for example Berkshire’s buyback policy. Their buyback policy at one point was to buy if the share price should go below 120% of the book value. Earlier policy was to buyback if the share price was below book value. Since the share price never went below 120% they changed the policy to buy whenever the Warren and Munger decide that the share is trading below intrinsic value. I don’t know if ever they will buyback Berkshire at a price higher than it’s trading at.
One important disadvantage CARE has is that they probably can’t invest in cheaply valued equities unlike holding companies like say Bajaj Holdings or Tata Investments Ltd because there will be a conflict of interest as they are in the ratings business. So the only options available to Care Ratings for rewarding shareholders is to 1) Buyback shares 2) Pay dividends 3) Reinvest in business to increase intrinsic value. Think they should go for an open offer and pay the premium they are currently offering as dividends if they can’t reinvest.
What you say in theory makes sense, but there is a lot of difference between theory and practice. The realities for the Indian market are very different from that of the American market where Buffett operates. In India there is reservation for Small Shareholders so buybacks are a lot more profitable for them than it would have been otherwise.
If the average acceptance is around 25-30 percent it makes sense with experience to increase your holding in such a way before the buyback that after acceptance the position size remains approximately same as the original. A higher price is a lot better for small shareholders and thus the premium is very disappointing. Would have preferred buyback price around 600 where shares bought back at same 121 crores amount would be close to 7 percent instead of 8 percent of outstanding shares.
I think if an investor decides to not participate, the company will benefit the participating shareholders at the expense of the non participating shareholders. There are other ways to benefit the small share holder than by buying at a premium like paying dividends.
There are Indian companies that bought back shares via open offer (Selan, Kaveri Seeds).
There is no valid reason to not participate in the buyback. It is tax free so no tax considerations unlike the US market and whatever is bought back as part of tender offer at a premium can be bought at a discount again from the market.
Here is a thought experiment. If the company was buying another company’s share at market price as an investment, would you want them to pay more or less to acquire those shares? Surely, if they pay a premium for that share, the selling shareholder will benefit at the expense of the shareholder of the company. Shouldn’t the same argument apply for buyback of shares?
Also, it is not true that there is no tax on buyback. The company is going to pay a buyback tax and not the shareholder selling the shares. This buyback tax is still value eroding if we believe that companies can create value buying more for less and erode value for the shareholder by paying more for less.
Also buyback at a premium benefits the larger shareholder more than the smaller shareholder since they get a bigger piece of the premium pie. Not that there is anything wrong with that. That’s how it goes but tender offer is not an efficient way to allocate capital. These buybacks at a premium might benefit those that come under 30%+ bracket but not the small shareholder as the buyback tax is 20%.
Here is an extract from this article on buybacks:
“Repurchases - is sensible [allocation of capital] for a company when its shares sell at a meaningful discount to conservatively calculated intrinsic value. Indeed, disciplined repurchases are the surest way to use funds intelligently. It’s hard to go wrong when you’re buying dollar bills for 80c or less. But never forget: In repurchase decisions: price is all important. Value is destroyed when purchases are made above intrinsic value.” Warren Buffett
“Analysts tend to be cheer-leaders for corporate re-purchase programs. In my view, these programs only make sense under one condition – the company is buying back shares that are significantly under-valued. Most management teams have demonstrated the total inability to understand what their businesses are worth. They’re buying when the stock is up, and have no courage to buy when the stock is down.” Leon Cooperman
“My suggestion: Before even discussing repurchases, a CEO and his or her Board should stand, join hands and in unison declare, ‘What is smart at one price is stupid at another’.” Warren Buffett
“When the board of directors of a company decides to buy-back its stock in the open market, it may well be a sign that they believe the shares are undervalued and do not adequately reflect the prospect for growth. They feel that the best return on corporate cash is by buying up their own shares in the marketplace.” Christopher Browne
Yes. I agree with all your points except the H1FY23 earnings has been good.
Just sharing it below.
Just to clarify.
My Few Cents on CARE
The investment thesis
Positive Points -
- Simple, easy to understand GREAT Business. There are very rare businesses where “YOU PAY TO GET YOURSELF RATED”
- Indian Rating agency - This whole idea of Care came from the recent interview of Guy Spier, who suggested why India shouldn’t have their OWN credit rating agency.
CRISIL is owned by Standard & Poor Global, ICRA is owned by Moody’s & Fitch is also an American Company. So all these big ones are owned by Foreign Promoters. Care is Indian in origin and professionally managed without any promoters.( ? Make in India)
- Ideally all Indian Corporates require 2 ratings for their CP - Commercial Paper. So usually they go for one that is reputed and one that’s cheap.So getting business is not a problem for Care. Long runway is assured.
- Recently SEBI closed Brickworks ratings due to misconducting proper ratings work. So That business ( part of it) may come to CARE.
- Also lots of shuffling has happened after the IL & FS and DHFL rating crisis. Care was fined by SEBI for the same. But looks like the worst is behind us & Care has learnt its lessons. ( just like NPAs in the PSU banks)
Negative points -
- Care’s almost all revenue comes from Ratings and hardly any from research / advisory services.
- Sales have gone down after 2018. Probably due to the IL & FS & DHFL fiasco. They are improving now as per their latest quarterly results. Sales have grown by 14% and net profit is up by 40%.
- Still management has to perform. So the (make in India) NARRATIVE has to be converted in the NUMBERS.
- Hopefully no more CG issues.
- Small fish with established BIG sharks around
- No such promoter.
Technically, it has crossed the Golden crossover at 500 level and is in uptrend.
Have taken initial position at 550.
And if you want to get market-beating returns, you have to find them in the undiscovered and out of favour sectors.
Basically , its like Mohnish Pabrai says - Heads, I Win; Tails, I don’t lose much.
CARE Rating Q3 FY23 Result update: (No Concall)
- Economy expected to rise by 7% in 2023.
- Export sector is showing weakness due to global slowdown.
- Corporate bond issuances have increased but commercial paper issuances have reduced. (Mixed performance in fundraising business)
- Credit to industry and Gross Bank Credit both grew during the quarter.
- Expects the domestic demand revival to be sustainable.
- Private consumption and Investment are estimated to grow by 7.7% and 11.5% respectively.
- Market share of CARE Ratings is 22% and they plan to increase market share 1% annually. (Source: RR of Prabhudas Liladhar)
- Management is focusing on automation across business & improving rating models, margin accretive accounts and improving the contributions of subsidiaries. It is also a high entry barrier business.
- The company has net cash of 570 crores which is 30% of the market cap.
RR Link: https://www.plindia.com/samplereports/thebeatcareratings.pdf
Anyone participated in the Concall?
- Growth Drivers: India is the preferred investment destination for foreign investments. Corporate Balance sheet is getting stronger which provides opportunity to invest through debt. Revival in Capex in private sector shows green shoots in investment. Credit demand is accelerating and bond issuances are picking up. The rating business is expected to grow due to government push on infra CAPEX, focus on green areas, improving logistics efficiency, and deleveraged balance sheets for Indian corporates.
- The company is open to acquisitions for faster growth in non-rating business.
- The company is considering a share buyback after the one-year timeline is over.