Lasa Supergenerics Limited

(s nagaraj) #147

Thank you very much for your honest, detailed and informative report. Your report really gives strength to investors like me to stay put in this counter for better prospects. May God Bless you for your honesty and openness in writing facts without any bias. Eagerly awaiting the Q2 numbers. Fingers crossed. Your golden fingers which inagurated the Plant IV will bring us wealth and happiness. Long live Dr Omkar - your hard work, simplicity, innovative ideas, focused approach and inspiring leadership will take Lasa to new heights and bring happiness in the lives of investors. - A retired person.

(Madhurkotharay) #148

Nagaraj sir,

I hope you do not go overboard with your Lasa investment. If you are a retired person, your risk taking ability is probably less than mine.

As I have clearly mentioned, there are a few things I still have no answers to. For example, I do not understand their capex numbers (given by earlier Omkar Specialty) for the plant(s).

I hope they show similar topline in Q2 as they did in Q1 and similar EBIDTA (24-25%), as they have claimed. I have no clue what PAT they will have because apparently, interest costs should be lower in Q2.

Also, I have a technical query to CAs in this group: in Q1, they showed some deferred tax reducing PAT. Is the quantum of deferred tax somewhat discretionary or do they have to follow exact guidelines? If the latter is true, the deferred tax should not change much from Q1.

All in all, Nagaraj sir, please do not treat Lasa as a buy and forget scrip. Do keep a regular check on its numbers and other developments.

(nkgambhir) #149

I am also puzzled by the “deferred tax”. Surely it is not mandatory, as most companies do not make this provision. If they have done it voluntarily, then it reduces the profits in that quarter artificially, and serves to decrease the tax outgo in the final quarter. Wha is the logic behind this and do any guidelines exist for this ? I also hope someone in this board will have the answers.

(AbhijitMani) #150

Just a wild guess, Does this have to do anything with the cash flow management ?
For example, for a given quarter, if a company has more cash than the current working captial requirements, but anticipates higher capital needs in the near future, maybe it is simply preponing the tax payment ? This would allow is pay less tax next quarter & at the same time act as a buffer for unforseen working capital requirements ?
So is it perhaps simply a matter a managing cash ?

(nkgambhir) #151

A way of managing cash or perhaps to smoothen out the fluctuations in earnings over the four quarters. Recently Omkar Herlekar has given a declaration , as a promoter of Omkar speciality chemicals, about pledged shares of OSCL as well as Lasa.

This declaration is strange, to say the least. What is the meaning of the statement, that he is yet to receive 342000 pledged shares of LASA, for which the loan has been repaid ? And if the paymnt has been made for depledging of LASA shares, then why was this disclosure not made on the page of LASA ?

(Raminder) #152

The taxable income as per Income tax act is different than the one calculated as per P & L account drawn in accordance with the Companies Act. This is mainly on account of the different treatment of certain expenses and different depreciation rates provided for under the income tax act. This tax liability is shown as Income Tax Provision and to match with the one due as per P & L account the difference is recognised as Deferred Tax Liability or Deferred Tax Assets.

(Saket) #153

Deferred tax is tax effect of timing difference. Difference between the tax expense (calculated on accrued basis) and current tax liability to be paid for particular year is called differed tax (assets/ liability) For eg. the company has purchased some asset of Rs 1,00,000/- on 30 September. The rate of depreciation as per Income tax is 40% and as per company law is 30%. The depreciation amount as per income tax works out to Rs 40,000 (Full depreciation since asset put to use for more then 180 days) and as per company law is 14960/- (Base on no of days). In this case tax liability for current year will be less due to higher tax provision so company will make additional tax provision in form of deferred tax liability. the position is reversed in case of defered tax asset i.e tax as per income tax is more. Regards

(ASP) #154

Why would company prepone tax payment…and lose interest income on cash on hand.

(nkgambhir) #155

They are not preponing tax payment. In my view, they are just making a provision for it in advance, so as to avoid taking the hit in a later quarter.

(s nagaraj) #156

Dear Kotharay ji, Many thanks for your advice. As advised, I will keep a regular check on the numbers and other developments. With warm regards

(Chitresh Lunawat) #157

Hester and NG fine chem .Both are doing really great. LAsa with consistant performance can do well over a two year period.
Dis:holding 8 percent of protfolio

(unni) #159

@sta Lasa board Meeting is on Dec 11 th monday

(Girish) #160


If the tax liability to IT department is lesser than Accounting Tax expense then would it not be considered Tax asset?

It is also possible that if Lasa takes advance payments from the customers then the accounting and Income tax department tax treatment might be different due to timing difference? You cannot recognize that money as an accrued sales till products are delivered. But tax department may ask you to pay the tax in that year? Is this possible? Any one knows how the tax is treated in such matters?

(arun10dec) #161

Q2 resultsLasa Q2 results.pdf (1.5 MB)
how raw material cost increased 31 cr to 52 cr…a 67% rise

(Vivek) #162

How is the Capital work in progress exactly the same figure (1699.98) in both the quarters ended on 30-09-17 and 30-06-17 ?
Also what comes under this “other financial liabilities” it has seen a jump from 11Cr to 21.5cr now?

(Saket) #163

Deferred tax liability is due to timing difference. Mostly it arise due to depreciation. In my previous example of an asset in initial year deferred tax liability will come & in later year deferred asset. You can say its just like a reserve.

There in no income tax on advance payment. Treatment of advances under income tax and accounting is same. For that matter income tax generally follow accounting principals.

(ankitkhemka7) #164

Take cost of materials in combination with change in inventories… hence 37 cr for last quarter and 42 cr for this quarter…

(ankitkhemka7) #165

Also, depreciation and amortization costs are most probably high due to one time demerger effects… same with other expenses I feel, which would have included legal, statutory and listing fees…

(Deepen Thakkar) #166

A research report on LASA by joindre capital avinash goraskarJLASANOTE.pdf (514.1 KB)

(sta) #167

Any update on conference call