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Edelweiss Financial Services

(vignesh) #447

Mohnish Pabrai Funds Logs into Edelweiss. Bought 1.1 % stake in the company .

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(Vikas Pandey) #454

https://www.moneycontrol.com/news/business/moneycontrol-research/ideas-for-profit-edelweiss-financial-services-a-resilient-business-model-buy-3761531.html

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(saumya) #455
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(Vishal) #456

Hi Sandeep,
Would you have this file. It is not avaiable on the site now.

Thaanks,
VIshal

(Sandeep Patel) #457

Sorry @vishalprasad, I tried searching without luck.

Investor Day 2016 Transcript (here)

Investor Day 2017 Presentation (here) - could not find transcript/ audio/ video

Investor Day 2018 Videos (here)

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#458

For the full year 2018-19, Edelweiss Financial’s net profit grew 15% to ₹995 crore as against ₹863 crore a year ago

Edelweiss Financial Q4 net profit falls 3.3% to ₹232 crore

(Tauqeer) #459

Not sure why Edelweiss is merging Distressed Credit into “Advisory/Wealth Management”

Distressed Credit is buying Distressed Asset at discounted price and there may be defaults or non recovery …

Isn’t this to paint artificially that “All is well …”

Feedback requested …

(PrinceVegeta) #460

The second investor presentation released today on the Outlook for future explains this part, each group of businesses will have separate investors.

CDPQ has invested in ECL Finance only and not in EARC.

(Tauqeer) #461

That i can understand but doesn’t that makes “Wealth Management” business unit prone to surprises too like in Credit Business Group …

A default in EARC can drag the entire profitability of "Wealth Management " Business unit …

Predictability and sustainability of earning of Wealth Management is also now NOT predictable :slight_smile:

(dprashant) #462

That can happen irrespective of any business merging with other business under the same listed company .
Am I missing anything ?

(vignesh) #463

In ARC business , the amount of money put in b Edelweiss will be very less. Its more like a fixed management fee with additional income based on the recovery rate. Also it works on a fund based structure where I raises money from other investors along with Edelweiss’s own money to be deployed in ARC.

(vignesh) #464

CDPQ has invested in ARC as well long back. The recent transaction is only in ECL finance business.

(enigmaak) #465

My understanding is that management wants the ARC business to move to a model where rather than it being a balance sheet business, they use a fund based structure to have investors co-investing with them in the ARC space, while they also earn fees. This spreads risk, keeps a reasonable upside, and earns them fees. If they’re setting up an org structure for the future, it makes total sense for it to be included with the rest of their funds.
Oh, did I mention that it earns them fees? :slight_smile:

#466

Management keep on extending the expected break-even year for Insurance business.
Earlier guidance was FY19 now the latest guidance is by FY22. Any reason for this? Is there something wrong?

(deeps2884) #467

Life insurance they have broken even as per the results presentation. General Insurance they would make losses of ~Rs.150 Cr. per year for next 3 to 4 years as per the result presentation

(enigmaak) #468

here’s something interesting - Edelweiss shareholder filed with the exchanges in the end of March says Pabrai holds 1.15% (https://www.bseindia.com/corporates/shpPublicShareholder.aspx?scripcd=532922&qtrid=101.00&QtrName=March%202019). In the results presentation slide 52 (page 53 in the PDF), they say Pabrai holds 2.7% as on March 2019.

So the options are:

  • I’m looking at the data wrong
  • One of these % numbers is incorrect
  • Or more interestingly, Pabrai bought more of Edelweiss after March 2019, and some poor soul who was in charge of that slide in the results presentation picked up latest shareholding instead of March 2019.
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(deeps2884) #469

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#470

Another reason could be Pabrai might be holding additional stake in different entities controlled by them and Edel has simply consolidated it in one name. I think it must at the end of March 2019 not the latest.

(ap_21) #471

Can someone help me understand how the money (Premiums) that they get from insurance business gets reinvested? How the business model around their insurance business has been structured by Edelweiss?

(Rezang La) #472

Edelweiss Value.pdf (45.4 KB)

I have attempted to value Edelweiss. I believe my assumptions are conservative; as previously, I have tried to be roughly right rather than precisely wrong.

I have presented two ways of valuing ECL Finance. I faced the following difficulties:

  • CDPQ has invested 150mil USD (out of the 250mil USD)
  • CDPQ is likely to have a stake in the teens – 2 to 5 yrs. out

The valuation does not capture balance sheet strength – overnight liquidity, CAR & DER – which, IMHO, is vital in a “tight liquidity” scenario like the present.

Views requested.

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